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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 19 May 19 06:16 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mckha489 on Sunday 19 May 19 06:06 BST (UK)
But...what about Catherine/Cate/Kate Marie Lambert.  Who was she and why did she say her father was William Irvine?  Illegitimate and made him up?

Why didn’t they marry much earlier?
Was one or other previously married
William Irvine and Carr might have been clerical errors. What was source?
I suspect a prior marriage.
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 19 May 19 06:22 BST (UK) »
Back to Thomas Irvine for a moment
Here’s his death

19 August 1815 - Westmorland Advertiser and Kendal Chronicle - Kendal, Westmorland, England

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 19 May 19 06:29 BST (UK) »
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William Irvine and Carr might have been clerical errors. What was source?
I suspect a prior marriage.

Image of marriage cert is on Ancestry.

Marriage is clearly as OP posted.  With father of Catherine Lambert as William Irvine a butcher and father of Thomas Carr Joseph Septimus Carr, painter
Catherine a widow and Thomas bachelor. Amazingly  they give different addresses.
17 Great Crosshall Street and 14 Hunter Street

(Marriage is St Nicholas, Liverpool)

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 19 May 19 06:45 BST (UK) »
A few Catherine Lambert marriages to consider.
1860 West Derby:  Patrick Quirk - Catherine Lamberd
1862 West Derby : Thomas Hardman - Catherine Lambert
1858 Liverpool : Francis Johnson - Catherine Lambert
1857 Manchester : John Marsh - Catherine Lambert
(Lancashire BMD)
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 19 May 19 06:59 BST (UK) »
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A few Catherine Lambert marriages to consider.
1860 West Derby:  Patrick Quirk - Catherine Lamberd
1862 West Derby : Thomas Hardman - Catherine Lambert

Can’t find images for those first two at moment

1858 Liverpool : Francis Johnson - Catherine Lambert

Father William Lambert a Butcher . Francis Martin Johnson, a Mariner, Father is Francis Johnson a shipwright, both of full age. address Wiliam or maybe Milham Street for both

1857 Manchester : John Marsh - Catherine Lambert

Father John Lambert, a labourer
(Lancashire BMD)

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 19 May 19 07:04 BST (UK) »
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1858 Liverpool : Francis Johnson - Catherine Lambert

Father William Lambert a Butcher
If that was her then 2 out of 3 pieces of information about her father at 1890 marriage were correct!
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 19 May 19 07:10 BST (UK) »
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1858 Liverpool : Francis Johnson - Catherine Lambert

Father William Lambert a Butcher
If that was her then 2 out of 3 pieces of information about her father at 1890 marriage were correct!

Seems reasonable to me.
Quite a good cover up.

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 19 May 19 07:13 BST (UK) »
Who were witnesses at wedding of Thomas Carr/Irvine to Catherine Lambert?
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 19 May 19 07:29 BST (UK) »
A few Thomas Irvine/Irving weddings in case he was hiding another Mrs.
Liverpool: 1855 Mary White; 1856 Mary Kennedy or Tobin; 1857 Margaret Coulter; 1861 Elizabeth Carrall.
Toxteth: 1863 Elizabeth Irving (Toxteth is Liverpool)
Blackburn: 1858 Sarah Bridge 
Manchester: 1856 Rebecca Butterfield or Oxford; 1860 Alice Whitmore
Salford: 1854 Mary McNamara
1860 Elizabeth Ann Forster (Didn't note where).
All from Lancs. BMD.
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