Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?

[mckha489]

He’s down as Thomas’s father

[cafetiere]

This person appears on a marriage certificate of Thomas Carr (49 and a painter) and Catherine Lambert (47) married in Liverpool in 1890. Catherine's father is listed as William Irvine and she's a widow.

You mean he was a witness? Perhaps he just turned up for the wedding and went away again. Got on a boat after the reception.

Hi

Thanks for looking. No, the document I'm looking at is the banns. Definitely says father. Both Thomas and JS Carr are listed as painters. I've tried to attach it but it's too big.

Thanks

[mckha489]

Interesting

Joseph Septimus Irvine
Age:   4
Birth Date:   abt 1863
Burial Date:   30 Mar 1867
Burial Place:   Newchurch in Rossendale, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears:   Newchurch
Father:   Thomas Irvine
Mother:   Catherine Irvine

[cafetiere]

Yes, lots of JS Irvines. Which makes the Carr one so confusing. The families could have married in previous generations so the name appears in both, I suppose. But why no other references to JS Carr??

Thanks for looking. Helps to have someone to bounce possibilities around with.

[mckha489]

1871

Glen Bottom Newchurch, Haslingden

Thomas Irvine 33 b Preston painter
Kate Irvine 32 Wife b Liverpool
Mary E dau 4 dau b newchurch

I think there has been a name change here.and they’ve made up the marriage cert details.

[mckha489]

Maybe you should be looking for J.S Irvine with a son Thomas Irvine.

[Maiden Stone]

What about

IRVINE, MARY  ELLEN     LAMBERT 
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in HASLINGDEN  Volume 08E  Page 105

Sub-district was Newchurch i.e. Newchurch-in-Rossendale to distinguish it from Newchurch-in-Pendle. This fits with her having  Bacup as p.o.b. on a census. Newchurch isn't far from Stacksteads which is near Bacup. Newchurch Road goes through Stacksteads.
The 1864 Mary Ellen Carr, mmn Bond was registered in Accrington sub-district.

[Maiden Stone]

He’s down as Thomas’s father

Thank-you. The word father wasn't in original post, hence my question.

[Maiden Stone]

From LANOPC.
Abode of the family at burial of Joseph Septimus Irvine in 1867 was Tunstead Bottoms.
Baptism 1872 St James the Great, Waterfoot (C. of E.)
Thomas Teaby Irvine child of Thomas Irvine & Kate Marie
Born 5th Nov. 1871. Abode Waterfoot. Occupation painter.

Edit. Waterfoot is about half-a-mile south of Newchurch. Tunstead is about half-a-mile N.E. of Waterfoot and similar distance east from Newchurch. So they hadn't moved far in those years.