Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?

[mckha489]

Morning,

In reply #59.  Who is Mr Johnson... or am I missing something?!

Bitzar.

P.S.  Am really enjoying this thread.

Mr Johnson is Catherine Lambert’s first husband Francis Martin Johnson

[Maiden Stone]

I've done a very quick read of the threads and have wondered if you have looked at the surname of Corr.  I have Corr & Carr in my tree from Ireland & it is a common transcription error.

I have also found a birth for Thomas Corr whose details are - birth 22 December 1839 Preston.  Parents look to be Late Margaret who lived in Duke Street. 

I'll come back to this thread as I just wanted to put this suggestion in.  I'm curious to see the outcome.

Did he have a father named Joseph Septimus ? Or was father Unknown?

[Maiden Stone]

There's a good chance Joseph had six older siblings, indeed six older brothers.

All named Joseph? Joseph, Joseph Secundus, Joseph Tertius ……   
 

[Oneday]

#82  I took it as Cate Margaret as I thought late was a strange first name for a man.  If that is the case there was no father obviously listed

[Maiden Stone]

#82  I took it as Cate Margaret as I thought late was a strange first name for a man.  If that is the case there was no father obviously listed

Where did you see it?

[Oneday]

on ancestry.

[Oneday]

I've also found another possibility for you to look at - Joseph Hamilton Irving Born Liverpool 1840 had a father Joseph.

There is also a possibility his Thomas' wife was married twice before. 

[Oneday]

I found something interesting: 

Robert Ogston married Mary Irvine whose father was Joseph Septimus Irvine in 1875 Blackpool, Lancashire.

It has to be the Joseph you are looking for.

Link on family search:  https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?facetType=ON&query=%2Bsurname%3Airvine%7E%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1855-1890%7E%20%2Bresidence_place%3A%22Preston%2C%20uk%22%7E%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1885-1895%7E&marriage_year0=1800&count=20&gender=F

I've also found a family tree on Ancestry - Coulthard Family Tree by Sue Charlesworth 66 will tell you what is going on.

[Maiden Stone]

This is a footnote about Thomas Irvine of Lancaster, father of Joseph Septimus Irvine. He was a spirit merchant.
Marriage 6th May 1793 St. Mary, Lancaster
William Charnley, liquor merchant, abode Manchester
Esther Bradley, spinster, Lancaster
Witnesses Thomas Irvine, Jane Warbrick
Married by licence.
 
Thomas Irvine and Jenny Warbrick  married later that summer.
 Thomas Charnley and Benjamin Satterthwaite were partners as wine merchants in Lancaster. Premises in Church St. in 1791 and Market St 1792. (Sun Fire Office insurance records, London Metropolitan Archives, listed in Discovery catalogue of National Archives)

Edit. We think this Thomas Irvine is the same Thomas Irvine who married Mary Tebay after Jane died. Thomas Irvine and Mary (Tebay) were parents of Joseph Septimus Irvine. The info in this post is just to show possible connections between some wine & spirit merchants in Lancaster.