Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?

[Maiden Stone]

Other birth registrations from Lancs. BMD.
1870 Irvine, Annie, mother's maiden name Lambert; Newchurch sub-district
1871 Irvine, Thomas, mother's maiden name Lambert; Newchurch sub-district

Edit. Seen since that these births have already been posted. Sub-districts are from Lancs. BMD.

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26 June 1875 - Preston Herald - Preston,

Might be pertinent?

[Maiden Stone]

Burial 1871 St John the Evangelist, Blackpool Joseph Septimus Irvine, age 55; abode Blackpool.
2 baptisms in same place  1876 and 1880 Joseph Septimus Irvine. Father of one was a painter and the other a plumber.
Marriage  1849 All Hallows, Bispham
Joseph Irvine, age 35, widower; abode Blackpool; occupation painter. Father Thomas Irvine, spirit merchant. Bride Ann Bickerstaff.

I couldn't find a birth registration or baptism for Thomas Irvine around 1838.
However might this be a sister?
Baptism 10th Sept. 1841 St. John, Preston
Mary Irvine child of Joseph Irvine  & Ann
Abode Edgar St.; Occupation painter.
I found a burial of an Ann Irvine in Preston 1840s but have mislaid note.
All info from LANOPC.

[Maiden Stone]

Remaining in Blackpool, or rather nearby Poulton, Joseph Irvine & wife Ann Bickerstaff had 4 children including Robert Carr Irvine registered 1852 !!! Robert became either painter or plumber.
Other children were Agnes Jane 1850, John 1853 and Edward 1856.
Do I deserve a chocolate rabbit?

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Crossed with Maidenstone, but I’d written it so left it 

1851. Indexed as Swine on Ancestry

Joseph Septimus Irvine 37. Painter.  Lancaster
Ann Wife 36, Blackpool
Thomas Son 12 , Preston
Mary 9 Preston
Agnes 1 Blackpool

1861. It’s hard to make it Irvine, but rest of details match.

Joseph Brine   46 House painter.  B Lancaster
Ann Brine   46. B Blackpool
Agness Brine   11. B Preston.  (And rest of children)
John Brine   7.
George Brine   5
James Brine   3
Robert Brine   9


Births with Bickerstaff mother seem to match including

   IRVINE, JOHN       BICKERSTAFFE 
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in FYLDE  Volume 08E  Page 481

   IRVINE, ROBERT  CARR     BICKERSTAFF 
GRO Reference: 1852  M Quarter in FYLDE  Volume 08E  Page 488
 

I found a previous marriage of Joseph Septimus to Thomas’s mother also Ann, but I’ve lost it for the moment

[Maiden Stone]

Marriages at Blackpool. St John's.
1873 Robert Carr Irvine, age 21, plumber; abode Waterfoot near Manchester*
Bride Margaret Eaves.
Groom's father Joseph Septimus Irvine, painter.
A daughter and another son of Joseph Septimus Irvine married a brother and sister called Watson.
1871 John Watson & Agnes Irvine
1873 John Irvine, age 19, painter married Mary Watson.

*Waterfoot is not near Manchester.    OK, it's nearer to Manchester than Blackpool.
Edit. NB. Baptism of Thomas Teabay Irvine at Waterfoot 1872  reply #17. So Robert was staying with or near his half-brother Thomas at the time of his marriage.

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1841
Preston

Joseph Irvine 25 Painter
Ann 25
Thos. 2

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Earlier marriage for Joseph Septimus?

Joseph Irving
Age:   24
Birth Year:   abt 1813
Event Type:   Marriage
Event Date:   29 Jul 1837
Parish:   Preston, Lancashire, England
Spouse:   Ann Rawsthorne
Spouse Age:   25
Father:   Thos Irving
Spouse Father:   Thos Rawsthorne
Bishop's Transcript

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Joseph Septimus Irvine
Birth Date:   12 Dec 1813
Baptism Date:   27 Mar 1814
Baptism Place:   Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Father:   Thomas Irvine
Mother:   Mary

It’s really hard to read but I think occupation of Thomas is Spirit Merchant