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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #72 on: Sunday 19 May 19 11:01 BST (UK) »
Must admit I have enjoyed reading the Glasgow Herald for the period although I have only managed 2 weeks worth so far with no mention of the death or funeral.

I've read through the Glasgow Herald up to the Christmas of 1916 too and like you can see no mention of either death or funeral of a Canadian soldier - although it's been an interesting read.
I hope Cramond Brig is successful in purchasing Walter Freer's book on Ebay - it will be interesting to know if this episode is recorded in his memoir.

I, too, have the book Tea at Miss Cranston's - read it so long ago I've forgotten most of what's in it :-[
 The book was first published in 1985 and the memories within were gathered by the author from Glaswegians over a an unspecified time frame. I looked up the passage referring to Gay Flier to see who the quote was attributed too - but unfortunately there is no name  - the contributor just refers to her "grandpa".

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« Reply #73 on: Monday 20 May 19 08:49 BST (UK) »
A copy of Walter Freer's book My Life and Memories is available on Ebay just now being sold to raise funds for the Red Cross at £40 - more attractive than the £127 on Amazon! They are open to offers so it might be that a bid of around £30 might secure it given it's unlikely to sell quickly.

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Made an offer for the book which has been accepted. I will let you all know what is inside.

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« Reply #74 on: Monday 20 May 19 21:16 BST (UK) »
We will have to wait...impatiently  ;)

A post here on RC on Walter Freer and family www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731144.0

I did say I had bumped my head earlier...no memory of this at all  :-\

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« Reply #75 on: Monday 20 May 19 21:43 BST (UK) »


From the book,  TEA AT MISS CRANSTON’S, which recounts the memories of Glaswegians growing up in the city in the first half of the 20th Century.

Chapter 15 – Their Weans Would Never Be. P127

....But they left one young Indian behind.  His name was Gay Flier.  He was very very ill with flu and died in Govan Military Hospital.  My grandpa had been seeing to Chief Clear Sky’s men when they were in Glasgow and so’s not to let the boy get buried in an unmarked grave he claimed the body and saw to it that there was a right funeral in Glasgow with magistrates there, a gun carriage and a party to fire a salute at the grave.  It wasnae among his own open-air folk, but it was better than being not heeded at all.[/i]

I think this grandchild may have been a Thomas Watson. Also in TEA AT MISS CRANSTON’S, chapter 18 - www.rootschat.com/links/01nts/ shrunk link from google books.
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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #76 on: Monday 20 May 19 23:05 BST (UK) »
We will have to wait...impatiently  ;)

A post here on RC on Walter Freer and family www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731144.0

I did say I had bumped my head earlier...no memory of this at all  :-\

Monica

A lot of people on these posts who might also be interested in the book.

Not remembering - I have the same problem. In my case it is an age thing >:(.

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« Reply #77 on: Thursday 23 May 19 12:42 BST (UK) »
Here is an extract from Walter Frier's book. I'm not sure if it helps much, but at least the event is confirmed: -

CHIEF OF THE IROQUOIS

Later on, Chief Clear Sky revisited Glasgow, and as the representative of the various tribes which had units in the battalion raised me to the dignity of Sub-Chief of the Iroquois with the euphonious title of “Sa-Go-Wee-Hay,” meaning Chief Generous the Giver. One of my friends suggested it should have been, “Say-Go-Wee-Freer.”

There are two good stories connected with this visit. One night I was discussing with the purveyor what the men should have for tea. I suggested in fun to give them a Scotch black pudding.

That evening when the men sat down, each one of them found an unknown and rather weird article on his plate. Not one of them touched it. They looked at the pudding, then at each other, flabbergasted. It was necessary for me to address them and let them know that this was a peculiar Scotch dainty, but that they need not eat it unless they liked, as ham and eggs were prepared for them all.

Within three minutes of my stepping down every pudding, skin and all, had vanished, and next day they asked if they could have black puddings again!

The other story might have been something more than a joke. Among other places of entertainment which we visited was Hengler’s Circus. This the Indians enjoyed best of all especially the horses.

While Doodles, that very talented humourist and ring jester, was playing one of his interludes, he drew me into the ring and started to box me. To keep up the joke, Mr. Hengler and his manager, Mr. Milne, came forward in their most dignified manner and demanding what right I had coming into their house, gripped me by the shoulders and started to pull me out.

In a jiffy there arose a wild whoop from the Indians, who sprang to their feet and rushed into the ring to tomahawk Mr. Hengler and Mr. Milne! They let me go and, by making signs to the men, I was able to show them it was fun. But they were not very sure and kept me under watch during the remainder of the show.

These men, such splendid specimens in physique, suffered greatly in the theatre of war. I was appointed Vice-Consul for their province, so that when any of them came back on furlough they came to Glasgow.

One day I was advised that a splendid fellow called Gayflier, the private secretary to Chief Clear Sky, was lying ill in the military hospital at Govan. These men had no power of resistance to influenza. They were like the coloured American troops who came over later. Influenza killed them in dozens. In ten days Gayflier died, and was about to be buried with other unclaimed bodies, when, as Vice-Consul of the province, I claimed the body.

With a gun-carriage and a firing party of twenty soldiers, accompanied by several of the magistrates of the city, this youth who had come from the land of the sky-blue water was laid to rest in the land of the white faces.

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« Reply #78 on: Thursday 23 May 19 12:58 BST (UK) »
Excellent news - and a very interesting extract, Cramond Brig.
This book was written in the 1920s. wasn't it? So much nearer the time of the incident.
Interestingly , Walter tells of the  men tasting black pudding - also mentioned in "Tea at Miss
Cranston's"

Freer says I was appointed Vice-Consul for their province, so that when any of them came back on furlough they came to Glasgow.

then One day I was advised that a splendid fellow called Gayflier, the private secretary to Chief Clear Sky, was lying ill in the military hospital at Govan.

So the death could have been when Gayflier was on leave and could have been much later than the December 1916 visit.

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« Reply #79 on: Thursday 23 May 19 13:14 BST (UK) »
Excellent news - and a very interesting extract, Cramond Brig.
This book was written in the 1920s. wasn't it? So much nearer the time of the incident.
Interestingly , Walter tells of the  men tasting black pudding - also mentioned in "Tea at Miss
Cranston's"

Freer says I was appointed Vice-Consul for their province, so that when any of them came back on furlough they came to Glasgow.

then One day I was advised that a splendid fellow called Gayflier, the private secretary to Chief Clear Sky, was lying ill in the military hospital at Govan.

So the death could have been when Gayflier was on leave and could have been much later than the December 1916 visit.

Looby :)

The book was published in 1929. You have alluded to one problem. The year of death is not clear.

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #80 on: Thursday 23 May 19 13:28 BST (UK) »
Based on that extract , I would say the death is after 1916  :-\   
I think the grandchild's memory in the Miss Cranston book has been misremembered and tied in mistakenly with the "Indians" first visit to Glasgow.
You need to expand your search, unfortunately, up to the date the troops returned to Canada.

Looby :)