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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #54 on: Friday 17 May 19 18:19 BST (UK) »
Flyer became the name of the 114 when it was absorbed in 1916.

I think you your best shot at finding who you seek will be at the Mitchell in Glasgow.  I would imagine there would have been a blurb about the burial in the Herald but perhaps not.

Did your wife ever read "The People of the Longhouse" highly recommend it if she hasn't. And one last thing about the photo.  The one wearing an Onondaga headdress is the one on the right not the one shaking hands who is wearing a western style headdress.  Here's an example http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/newhouse_seth_15E.html

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Looks like 4 chiefs with different headdresses

https://picclick.co.uk/m1d-ephemera-ww1-1916-picture-canadian-indians-323764382766.html#&gid=1&pid=1

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #55 on: Friday 17 May 19 18:41 BST (UK) »
Mmmm  :-\ That is a dissapointment.

It is a pity the Glasgow Herald is not searchable by key word from 1900. I have tried all sorts of key word searches on the Daily Record, Sunday People and the Scotsman but nothing showing for me.

As fantastic as it is to have google's images of the Glasgow Herald through the 1900s, images can be quite hard to work through page by page https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC

What's left, Alastair? Walter Freer's book, 'My Life and Memories'?

Monica

Yes, we still have to book a reading at National Library of Scotland, and I have been in touch with the Curator at Haldimand Museum. She feels that Gay Flier may have been a nickname.

I'm really grateful for the efforts that you are all making to help.

Alistair

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #56 on: Friday 17 May 19 18:46 BST (UK) »
Flyer became the name of the 114 when it was absorbed in 1916.

I think you your best shot at finding who you seek will be at the Mitchell in Glasgow.  I would imagine there would have been a blurb about the burial in the Herald but perhaps not.

Did your wife ever read "The People of the Longhouse" highly recommend it if she hasn't. And one last thing about the photo.  The one wearing an Onondaga headdress is the one on the right not the one shaking hands who is wearing a western style headdress.  Here's an example http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/newhouse_seth_15E.html

Don

Looks like 4 chiefs with different headdresses

https://picclick.co.uk/m1d-ephemera-ww1-1916-picture-canadian-indians-323764382766.html#&gid=1&pid=1

Chief Cook, standing on the left in the picture with the Lord Provost is wearing the correct headdress ffor the area from which the Haldimand Rifles were recruited. Chief Clear Sky, shaking hands with the Lord Provost, is wearing a Western headdress. Clear Sky, by the way, was a vaudeville entertainer.

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #57 on: Friday 17 May 19 23:51 BST (UK) »
The Southern General Archivist says, "I can confirm that we hold a substantial archive from the Southern General Hospital (formerly Govan Parochial Poorhouse Hospital) at Merryflats.  I am sorry to have to say that we cannot help you as we do not possess any records of Govan War Hospital / Govan Military Hospital. The records of temporary military hospitals were all gathered up in 1919 for use by the Ministry of Pensions.  The Ministry had been created to deal with claims for disability pensions, widows’ pensions, etc.  To the best of my knowledge and belief, the records of temporary military hospitals are in the custody of the War Pensions Branch of the Department of Social Security.  Unfortunately the DSS does not provide a research service. There is some uncertainty as to where Govan War Hospital / Govan Military Hospital was located.  The minutes of the Parish Council show that they offered the army the use of premises at Merryflats and were turned down.  One possibility is that the terms Govan War Hospital and Govan Military Hospital may refer to the British Red Cross Hospital in Bellahouston Park.  This, however, makes little difference as the Bellahouston records seem to have been collected up with the rest."

I believe the archivist is wrong about Merrylats and Bellahouston although both are within Govan Parish.

1. Historic Environment Scotland places them at two different locations (both basically where you would expect them to be)
2.The National Archives in England have some records - searching for "merryflats" brings up three references to soldiers being treated in Merryflats Military Hospital in Govan (Ministry of Health series MH106) - In a similar vein searching for Bellahouston also brings up references to Bellahouston Hospital  (although after the war)

 I do not believe that the two terms are interchangeable although the archivist may be correct regarding the records having been swept up by the Ministry of Health and a visit to the National Archives in Kew may be required


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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 18 May 19 08:36 BST (UK) »
Where did the info about him dying at Merryflats come from?

Could he be in a lair owned by Walter Freer and under the Freer name?

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 18 May 19 10:11 BST (UK) »
Where did the info about him dying at Merryflats come from?

Could he be in a lair owned by Walter Freer and under the Freer name?

The original information says Govan Military Hospital. Are Govan Military Hospital and Merryflats Military Hospital one and the same place?

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 18 May 19 10:19 BST (UK) »
The original information says Govan Military Hospital. Are Govan Military Hospital and Merryflats Military Hospital one and the same place?

According to Historic Environment Scotland Merryflats was referred to as the Govan Military Hospital. The confusion appears to stem from the fact that the Red Cross Hospital in Bellahouston was also in Govan and was referred to as the Scottish National War Hospital.
I wonder if given their relatively close proximity it is possible that for administration purposes one was treated as an offshoot of the other.

In either case it would appear that the records are not in Scotland but if they survived may be in the Archives at Kew.

For any trace in Scotland, Sancti's suggestion may be the path to follow.

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 18 May 19 10:24 BST (UK) »
I find it strange that there is no record on CWGC of a Canadian being buried in Glasgow at that time, especially as he was allegedly buried with full military honours

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Re: Gay Flier
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 18 May 19 10:49 BST (UK) »
I went through the Glasgow Herald from 9-22 December last night. Couldn't see anything. I worked from the timings that the group left Glasgow on the 9th for Edinburgh. They were there for a few days before heading back to England. My thoughts are that if Gay Flier took ill when the group arrived in Glasgow and admitted to a Glasgow Hospital unable leave Glasgow with the rest of Group, not sure how many days he was ill for before he died but with pneunomia likely not too many days before he died. Just trying to work within some timescales.

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