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Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:17 BST (UK) »
John Noble Anderson and Anne Anderson (Gordon) had daughters Helen Ross Anderson, Annabella Anderson, Elizabeth PATERSON Anderson, Mary Jane Anderson, Agnes Hunter Anderson.  In addition they had 1 son John Noble Anderson who died aged 1 year and 4 Days.  Agnes was the youngest born in Auchterless in 1874.  In 1879, Anne died and I cannot find the girls on any census after that for certain.   As they would still be young, (Agnes 5) and John Noble Anderson (senior) was a journeyman tailor left looking after the children.   Anne died a pauper and her brother registered her death (death certa says pauper) ...  what would have happened to the girls - how could John have cared for them ?  Are there orphanage records I can check ?  I have found Mary Jane in Australia some years later.   Thank you

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:23 BST (UK) »
There is a death in 1894 in Old Marchar for a 50 yr old John Noble Anderson. If the correct death, have you found John Snr in the 1881 and 1891 censuses?

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:32 BST (UK) »
Hi,  John Noble Anderson died 1894 after he remarried Elizabeth Beaton .  Elizabeth had children of her own and no mention of John and Anne’s girls .  I can’t find him on 1881 for certain, but a marriage cert and 1891 census confirms his second marriage and none of his daughters with him .

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:43 BST (UK) »
I think this is Agnes in 1881:

Agnes H Anderson, 6, boarder b. King Edward, Aberdeenshire
Address Moray House, Commerce St,  Fraserburgh

This is the houshold of a Bruce family.

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:45 BST (UK) »
I think this is the same Agnes in 1901:

Elizabeth M Henderson 29 b. Perth
Thomas Henderson 26 brother
Ruth Henderson 22 sister
Agnes H Anderson 26 visitor, photographer teacher (?) b. Huntly, Aberdeenshire
Harry S Dodds 26

Address: 5 Gladstone Place, Leith Midlothian

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 May 19 09:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thank you .   Agnes was born in Auchterless and became a nurse.  I have her death certificate of 1920.   

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 May 19 10:18 BST (UK) »
If Anne Gordon or Anderson was described as a pauper, the implication is that she was in receipt of relief from a parochial board. There are quite extensive surviving records from some of the parishes in Aberdeenshire, and these are in the care of Aberdeen archives
https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/libraries-and-archives/aberdeen-city-and-aberdeenshire-archives. The question is which parochial board.

From the 1871 census, John Anderson was born in Peterhead
Ann Gordon was born in Fraserburgh
John Noble Anderson and Ann Gordon were married in Aberdeen St Nicholas in 1864
From the index at SP, I see that the children were all born in different parishes
Helen Ross, 17 May 1865, Aberdeen St Nicholas
Annabella Gordon Noble, 13 January 1867, Kintore
Elizabeth Paterson, 6 September 1868, Rhynie and Essie
Mary Jane Gordon, 15 April 1870, Auchindoir
John Noble, 24 January 1873, Clatt
Agnes Hunter, 5 June 1874, Auchterless
In 1871 the family was living in Aberdeen St Nicholas
Ann Gordon or Anderson died in Fraserburgh in 1877
John Noble Anderson died in Aberdeen Old Machar in 1894
so there could be references to them in any, or indeed all, of the parochial boards of these parishes.

Apart from Ann herself, none of them were born or lived for any length of time in Fraserburgh. So I would expect the Fraserburgh parochial board to have generated the records relating to Ann Gordon or Anderson, but possibly not the children; the parochial board would have expected John to support (i.e. pay for the keep) of his family, even if he could not look after them himself, unless he himself was 'disabled' (i.e. physically or mentally incapacitated to the extent of being unable to earn a living). In that case the parochial board would probably have sent the children either to the poorhouse or boarded them out, almost certainly not all in the same household.

In the 1881 census there is a 15-year-old Helen Anderson, born Aberdeenshire, a servant in the household of Janet Singer at 8 St Catherine's Wynd, Aberdeen. She would exactly fit Helen Ross Anderson, but her parish of birth is not recorded.

Elizabeth Anderson, 13, birthplace said to be Auchterless, and Helen Anderson, 7, also born Auchterless, are in the household of Mary Mitchell at 183 King Street, Aberdeen. This household includes a matron and assistant matron and dozens of young girls, all described as scholars, so I assume that this is some kind of institution, possibly an orphanage. However the birthplace and Helen's age do not fit with the daughters of John Anderson and Ann Gordon; and they do match two of the daughters of James Anderson and Margaret Cowie, who were born in Auchterless.

There's a Mary J Anderson, 11, listed as the adopted daughter of Mary J Noble, seaman's wife, in Fraserburgh. However her parish of birth is said to be Fraserburgh, which is a long way from Auchindoir, where Mary Jane was born. But worth looking into.

Perhaps the others were also adopted, and recorded in the later censuses by their adopted names? If so you will struggle to find them because formal adoption did not exist until 1930, so there are no adoption records from the 1870s and 1880s.
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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 May 19 11:59 BST (UK) »
Hi all this might help with Elizabeth Paterson Anderson a tree has a copy of the marriage
Elizabeth Paterson Anderson age 29 born Rhynie  shop assistant
Father John Noble Anderson ( soldier )
Mother Annie Gordon
Spouse William Ernest Prideaux ( farmer ) also known as Ernest Thomas
Married 5 December 1898 Baptist Church Sydney

Australia Marriage index
Elizabeth P Anderson
William E Prideaux
1898 Sydney NSW
Registration number 7113

Elizabeth P Anderson
Ernest Thomas
1898 Sydney NSW
Registration number 7113

There are several Uk Passenger records for she seems to have been living South Africa
Incoming Passenger List departure South Africa arrival 6 June 1921 London
Ship Grantully Castle

They have a death for her Sept 1932 South Africa

But I would say this looks more like her death from information on  Probate Record
Elizabeth Paterson Prideaux of 2,Alexandra Road Sible Hedington Essex wife of Ernest William Prideaux ( engineer ) died   18 September 1932 at Addenbrooks Hospital Cambridge

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Re: Anderson; Fraserburgh orphans?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 May 19 12:10 BST (UK) »
You can view the second marriage for her husband 1933 South Africa to Mary Ann Jaques Webster
Also his probate record he died 1938 and it mentions his predeceased  wife Elizabeth Sept 1932

www.familysearch.gov

Rosie