1851 Census - Shenley

[Fliss]

Would some kind soul look at the 1851 Census for the small village of Shenley?
I'm seeking references to any HOWARD families. Heads of households should include a definite Thomas, possibly a John and maybe a William.
Many thanks for your help!
Fliss   

[AlgarvePete]

1841 for Shenley HO107/442/3
Thomas Howard             43            painter
Caroline                        20
George                         15
Thomas                        15
Emma                           10
James                            7
Letitia                            5            all born in county
It would appear that Thomas was a widower although relationships are not given.
Also on same census(different entry)
John Howard                20           ag labourer
Ann                            25
The enumerator on this census did not put addresses.Ages above 15 were rounded up or down to nearest 5.Regards,Pete

[AlgarvePete]

If you go to the following link,go to Shenley and then search surname Howard you will find some of the Christianings and marriages
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyHertford.htm#PageTitle
Regards,Pete

[Fliss]

Thank you Pete - much appreciated. However... it was the 1851 census and not the 1841 one I was after.
Sorryyyeeeee!
I do appreciate your reply though-thank you!
Fliss 

[telesnap]

Pete, thanks for 1841, I found it helpful too!

Fliss, I think we're looking for the same people.  1851 as follows:

1701/136/1 f. 27:
Harris's Lane Shenley (2 households along from The Rookery):
Thomas Howard Head Widower 57 Plumber & Glazer Shenley Herts
Mary Ann Howard Daughter U 30                                Bucks
Caroline Howard do             do 27                              Shenley Herts
Thomas Howard Son            do 21                              Shenley Herts
Letitia S.Howard Daughter   do 15                              Shenley Herts
Isabella King       Niece         do 9                                Middlesex
James Smith        Nephew    do 5                                Hertfordshire
Emma Palmer      Daughter   Married 20                      Shenley Herts.

f. 49 (v)
Shenley Hill
Ann Howard Head Widow 73 Independent   Herts, St. Peters

f. 53 (v)
Rowley Green
William Howard Head Mar 55 Farmer of 20 Acres   Herts St. Michels
Susan Do            Wife   Mar 53 Farmer's Wife   Do St Stephens
Caroline Do       Daur   U    22 At Home / Farmer's Daur Herts Shenley
Harriett Do        Do      U    17   Do / Do             Do Do

also [sorry didn't note page!]
Shenley
William Howard Head Mar 28   Ag Labourer   Middx South Mims
Jane Do            Wife   Mar 25         Herts Shenley.

My interest is in an Isabella Howard, daughter of a Thomas Howard, a painter, from Shenley.  She was already working in London by 1841.  I think this Isabella King age 9 in 1851 may be her daughter, but I reckon she ought to be granddaughter not niece here, if this is the right Thomas!

Cheers!   

[Fliss]

If you giv eme all available info regarding 'your' Thomas Howard and daughter Isablla I'll see if i can tie them into my 'Howard' tree anywhere.
So far. I've established that:
Thomas Howard b c1798 Shenley married Ann (surname?)
They had follwoing issue:
Mary Ann
John
Caroline

[Fliss]

Do ignore the last posting! I was in the process of typing it (errors and all) when I must have hit the 'send' button by mistake!
Anyway, the gist of it was:
give me whatever information you have on Isabella Howard and I'll see if I can link her into my Shenley HOWARD tree.
To the best of my knowledge, Thomas didn't have a daughter named Isabella - I only know of:
Mary Ann, John, Caroline, Susannah Ruth, George, Thomas, Eunice, James, Emma and Letitia Sarah.
Cheers
Fliss

[telesnap]

Hi Fliss!

My Isabella Howard m. James King 8-Feb-1842 in St George Hanover Square London, giving her father as Thomas Howard, painter.

On 1871 & 1881 censuses, she gives her place of birth as Shenley Hill, Hertfordshire.  Haven't (yet) got 1851.  On 1861, it's difficult to read but looks like 'Bedfordshire Bre...water'.

Her age is 22 in 1841 (when she was a servant in her employer's household, along with future hubby James), 44 in 1861, 52 in 1871, 62 in 1881, & 68 at death on 7-May-1886.

Looking for her birth on IGI, I didn't find her in Shenley, but did find Isabelle, daughter of Thomas Howard & Ann, Christened 25-Jan-1818, Great Gaddesden.  The transcript of Great Gaddesden records at the Society of Genealogists gives Isabella, b. 25-Dec-1817, daughter of Thomas and Ann, of Hudnall, plumber & glazier.  This appears to connect to the Shenley Howards, as Mary Ann Howard, dau of Thomas, was also b. Hudnall, & Thomas of Shenley is a painter (in 1841 & on Isabella's m. cert.) & also a plumber & glazer (1851, & at Isabella's Christening).

I was hoping that Isabella might be an elder sibling of the Shenley Howards, children of Thomas & Ann.  Isabella & Mary Ann were both born in Hudnall, & not long apart.  However the niece Isabella King in 1851 suggests that my Isabella Howard was a sister of Thomas, not a daughter.  But if that's right then Thomas's parents must be ANOTHER set of Thomas and Ann.

Alternatively 'niece' could be a mistake.  Perhaps one of Thomas's offspring filled out the form & they put little Isabella down as their niece rather than as Thomas's granddaughter.

Very confusing!  All help appreciated!  Does this fit into your tree??   

[Fliss]

Hello!
This is really interesting! I knew Thomas and Ann had a daughter Mary Ann baptised in Hudnall in 1819 and have meaning to go to Aylesbury Record Office to search their parish registers. Seems I now ought to (unless you live close by).
Last week I visited the R.O. in Hertford and searched the P.R.'s for Shenley - they didn't throw up anything new, although I will happily send you a copy of the Howard tree.
However, getting back to Isabella - it's always good to add more names to a family. We must just substantiate it, mustn't we? There might be more siblings we know nothing about!
As yet, I've not been able to locate the marriage of Thomas Howard to Ann - possibly took place in Hudnall?
I'll endeavour to get my head around the matter of Isabella King - niece - but it sounds like an error.
Mistakes, in those days, were all too common - just to confuse us 150+ years later!
You must wonder my link to the Howard's. It's kinda' remote! (through my husband's line)
Thomas and Ann Howard had a son called John born 1820.
He married Clara Picton.
They had a daughter Maria Clara who married Osborne Pawsey. He was the brother of my husband's great grandfather.
Anyway, what chance of you getting to Aylesbury?
Fliss