James Ferguson, Eglington, Londonderry, Northern Ireland

[majm]

Different jurisdictions have different laws re what to record on marriage registrations.  What was the actual requirement (in 1899) for recording if either of the parents were known to be deceased at the time of that marriage for William and Elizabeth... 

JM

[solidrock]

A marriage certificate gives:

    marriage date and place
    names of the bride and groom, their ages, their marital "condition" (single or widowed), their professions, and their residences at the time of the marriage
    names and occupations of their fathers (and sometimes whether they were deceased)
    signatures or marks of the bride, groom, and witnesses
    also notes whether the bride and groom were married in a church (with the denomination given) and, if so, whether they were married by banns or by license.

[majm]

 

Thanks,

So that 1899 m.c. cannot be 'eliminated'    just because it does not include a notation that that particular parent is known to be deceased. 

JM

[solidrock]

I now understand that James born 1847 is incorrect for the 1861 marriage(which you say is correct), however I have a certified copy of William Bell/Elizabeth Ann marriage, as at 1899 which gives fathers name as James Ferguson but does not say deceased, so is this certificate incorrect for the 1896 death?. So do we know when James was born?
Sorry my head is swimming, I thank you for your patience

Pretty sure the 1861 marriage is correct but not born 1847, if this death is correct it gives his birth as 1837. I stand to be corrected but my head is swimming to.
Name    James Ferguson
Event Type    Death
Event Date    Jan - Mar 1896
Event Place    Londonderry, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year    Jan - Mar 1896
Registration District    Londonderry
Age    59
Birth Year (Estimated)    1837
Volume Number    2

Informant is James Ferguson (son)  Mountjoy Street

Added

Do you know who the witness James Bell is on the 1899 marriage?

[scotmum]

For further checking:

A John Ferguson, aged 63, late of Straidarran, died at 84 Spencer Road in 1903. Buried Bannagher Presbyterian Church burying ground.

In 1900, a Wm. B. Ferguson, 84 Spencer Road,  was listed as a Seconder in connection with elections of a council candidate.

[aghadowey]

John Ferguson died 1903 at 84 Spencer Road- married, age 63 (born c1840)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05646/4589120.pdf

Looks like this John Ferguson with family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Waterside/Spencer_Road/1540730
Daughter Emma born 1877 Strad, Banagher (mother's maiden name Craig)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02998/2098838.pdf

Marriage 1863 gives his father as Joseph Ferguson (image not online)-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGYQ-8NMZ

[aghadowey]

Do you know who the witness James Bell is on the 1899 marriage?

Possibly this one-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/South_Ward_No__2_Urban/Mountjoy_Street/1528633

[solidrock]

Ah ok. So what is the Bell connection with Ferguson? My immediate thoughts before was it was Hannah's maiden name but her name was Ferguson.

[scotmum]

Given that the Hannah Ferguson who died in 1910 did so at 2 Abercorn Place, perhaps this Bell family links in:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__3_Urban/Abercorn_Place/600003/

which also looks to fit well with the 1901 posted by aghadowey.