marriage records, St Mary's church, Clayton St, Newcastle

[Bobs lass]

Are these available anywhere online please?

I've never been able to find GRO marriages for two of my Irish couples. If they did marry, it would have been c1854 -1861. Both couples had their earliest children bp at St Mary's 1855 - 1860, so perhaps there is just a chance that the parents married there? (Or perhaps not! It seems that whilst later generations usually had their children baptised, marriage didn't always figure in their plans - until the NI act came in.)

Sorry, should have asked if images are available

[emeltom]

The LDS have them but you would need to go to one of their Family History Centres to view them. There seems to be nothing on line.

Emeltom

[Bobs lass]

The LDS have them but you would need to go to one of their Family History Centres to view them. There seems to be nothing on line.

Emeltom

Thanks for your response. The FHCs nearest to me have very limited opening hours and therefore are inaccessible by public transport. So I usually arrange to visit one when on holiday.
I was hoping that there may have been something online for St Mary's, which I'd not discovered. As nothing shows up for my couples on the LDS site, apart from the baptisms of the children, I suspect they never married, but you know how we always live in hope that the record we would like eventually turns up somewhere!

[rosie99]

It may be worth you giving details on here as to who you are looking for and the names of their children

[JenB]

Just to clarify that St Mary's Clayton Street is the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Newcastle upon Tyne.

Trivia moment  St Mary's was in fact the first cathedral in Newcastle, because St Nicholas wasn't 'upgraded' to the status of the Anglican Cathedral until 1882 when the Anglican Diocese of Newcastle was created.

[rosie99]

Thanks for the clarification Jen,
I did wonder though did not try to find out whether it was RC as they were Irish. 

[Tickettyboo]

Bobs lass, post the names and I'll have a look next time I go to our local FHC (may not be a for a couple of weeks). As well as St Mary, there's St Andrew which was also RC.

If, like me, you have an Irish family with a name ripe for mistranscription/taking a guess as what the spelling should be, there is lots of scope for not finding them in the GRO index. Though unless you have them both in England Newcastle area prior to when they married there's always a possibility that they married in Ireland or in another area of England.

Boo

[Bobs lass]

Thanks for the replies.
I am searching for a marriage for Catherine DUNN & Patrick Hogan (first known child registered as Dunn in 1855 in N/T, later children registered as Hogan, mmn Dunn 1856 - 1863. First 4 Hogan children bp St Mary, fifth bp St Andrew - by this time the family had moved to the eastern side of the city.)
Also the marriage of Julia DUNN & Michael McDonough - first known child bp St Mary in 1860, in the city in 1861 census, but later that year moved north into the Northumbrian coastal coalmining belt, where subsequent children were born and baptised.
Please don't waste any of your time tracking the two families as I have full details of the children through their adulthood. 3 of the Hogan children eventually emigrated to the USA whilst the youngest (and the McDonough offspring) all remained in Northumberland and are fairly well documented.
It's the marriages I would like to find, IF they actually took place.

[Bobs lass]

Thanks Boo.
As you will see in my post above, the first child of Catherine Dunn & Mr Hogan was bp a Hogan, but  registered as a Dunn. His death was registered in the same quarter (Dec 1855.) The next child was registered as Hogan, mmn Dunn in 1856, so theoretically (ha ha)  there should have been a marriage between the two births.
I know nothing about Julia Dunn prior to the 1860 birth of her first child; however, I think Michael McDonough was probably in the city in 1851  census, possibly with two siblings, their widowed mother and other McDonough relatives. So, my guess is that Northumberland was the most likely venue for their marriage, if  indeed they bothered.
In 1861 this couple shared a multi-occupancy residence with a third couple (McDonoughs) and their month old child. The child was registered as McDonough, mmn Parker. Later in 1861 this Mr McDonogh and Miss Parker married in Middlesbrough, before moving to Scotland.

Yes, mangled and morphing names (both forenames & surnames) and no knowledge of years of birth doesn't make it very easy, does it?

Without a specific parish in Ireland, Irish research is tricky. However, over the years, NOTHING has ever come up for either pairing in any index of Irish records, or UK for that matter.
I have now reached the conclusion that the parish priests were probably more focussed on baptisms of children rather than on the marriages of the parents.