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Re: Bigamist grandfather?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 April 19 15:41 BST (UK) »

2. I read somewhere recently that couples have to sign several copies of the marriage cert but actually only one needs to be signed by them, it can be the case that the registrar can write out the signatures on the other copies. Is this true and where would I get the copy that was actually signed by the couple?


When you get married in church there are three books. Two marriage registers, one for the Church Records, and one subsequently sent, when full, to the local Register Office, these are signed by the couple and the witnesses, the third book is the marriage certificate, filled in by the vicar as a certified copy, and given to the couple, they should all have the same details.In addition to these books are the forms filled in for the quarterly certified returns.

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:14 BST (UK) »
He was awarded the Military Medal in WW1?
So he is the Charles Theodore Martin aka James Douglas Wilson sentenced to six months hard labour at Cheltenham in 1934 for credit fraud.
The Gloucestershire newspaper report says that after the war his wife died a year after their marriage. Which, if accurate, may perhaps help your search.
CTM had a number of previous convictions for theft.

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:22 BST (UK) »
I don't think we've been told who his parents were.  Was he born in Forest Gate & had a brother Alan who served alongside him in WW1? Parents Walter & Eva?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
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Re: Bigamist grandfather?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:24 BST (UK) »
He was awarded the Military Medal in WW1?
So he is the Charles Theodore Martin aka James Douglas Wilson sentenced to six months hard labour at Cheltenham in 1934 for credit fraud.
The Gloucestershire newspaper report says that after the war his wife died a year after their marriage. Which, if accurate, may perhaps help your search.
CTM had a number of previous convictions for theft.

Oh wow! How do you know this?! Yes my grandfather was awarded the military medal, this has to be him! I cant believe it! All these years i've been wondering what his past held and now it's coming out. Where can I see the news report?
Martin - Norfolk
Leigh - Lancashire
Orrell - Lancashire
Molloy - Wexford, Ireland
Molloy - Liverpool
Derry - Liverpool
Derry - Ireland


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Re: Bigamist grandfather?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:26 BST (UK) »
Which was the 1941 marriage - was it Mar qtr 1941 Woolwich to Eileen M Brown?

the 1941 marriage was in Nuneaton to Eveline Margaret Orrell
Martin - Norfolk
Leigh - Lancashire
Orrell - Lancashire
Molloy - Wexford, Ireland
Molloy - Liverpool
Derry - Liverpool
Derry - Ireland

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:32 BST (UK) »
What occupation did he have when he married your grandmother?

He writes R.A.F as his occupation in 1941, occupation in 1938 is gentlemans outfitter.

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On the 1939 register, a Charles Theodore Martin born 10th September 1895 which is my grandfathers name and birth date. This Charles is living with Emily E Martin.

What is her exact date of birth.

Her date of birth is 30th October 1899


I don't think we've been told who his parents were.  Was he born in Forest Gate & had a brother Alan who served alongside him in WW1? Parents Walter & Eva?

Yes his parents were Walter and Eva, brothers Alan and Frederick served alongside him in ww1
Martin - Norfolk
Leigh - Lancashire
Orrell - Lancashire
Molloy - Wexford, Ireland
Molloy - Liverpool
Derry - Liverpool
Derry - Ireland

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Re: Bigamist grandfather?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 April 19 16:38 BST (UK) »
If you register with the British Newspaper Archive, which is simple to do
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/account/register

You get three page views (which you can download) for free
There are three reports in Gloucester papers in October/November 1934, but I think they are all essentially much the same. Just search for "Charles Theodore Martin"

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 April 19 18:09 BST (UK) »
If you register with the British Newspaper Archive, which is simple to do
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/account/register

You get three page views (which you can download) for free
There are three reports in Gloucester papers in October/November 1934, but I think they are all essentially much the same. Just search for "Charles Theodore Martin"

Thank you so much, you've made my day! Don't suppose many people say that when discovering a lying, thieving, bigamist grandfather! haha
Martin - Norfolk
Leigh - Lancashire
Orrell - Lancashire
Molloy - Wexford, Ireland
Molloy - Liverpool
Derry - Liverpool
Derry - Ireland

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Re: Bigamist grandfather?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 April 19 13:04 BST (UK) »
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On the 1939 register, a Charles Theodore Martin born 10th September 1895 which is my grandfathers name and birth date. This Charles is living with Emily E Martin.

What is her exact date of birth.

She says 30 Oct 1899, not 1900.

Quite a few of my ancestors on the 1939 register have their birth one year out.
Lavender - Ruislip Middlesex / Mitcham Surrey
Ad(d)away - Burnham Buckinghamshire / Mitcham Surrey
Abrehart/Abrahart - Edmonton Middlesex / Mitcham Surrey / Victoria Australia
Lindsell - Braintree Essex / Morpeth Durham / Islington london
Donohoe/Donohue & Roche - Graiguecullen, Queens/Carlow Ireland