James Edward Ryan Family Western Cape

[MaureenP]

Hello!

I was wondering if some kind person could help me find some births or marriages please or anything on this family that lived in Wynberg Western Cape South Africa.

The first marriage is between James Edward Ryan b 1862 in UK & Maria Rosina Keiser b aka Rose Kniese. I believe it may have been a catholic marriage.

All we know that it was defnitely after 1881. James was still in the UK in Seacombe Wallasey Cheshire in the 1881 Census as a quarry worker and we dont when he emigrated to South Africa?

James Edward Ryan's fathers name was John Ryan.

They did have 6 children and one of them being a Patrick John Ryan born 1902 in Dieprivier.

Not all the children's births are coming up I will ask for help about them later so not to confuse things.

Thank you kindly in advance if you can help & regardless of outcome.

Cheers

Maureen

[Gillian Mauchan]

You could look through the indexes for that time to locate the marriage https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1108558?availability=Family%20History%20Library
It is quite a job if you cant identify a likely year. What you need to do is to select a time period and go to the letter of either surname then page through. Also be aware that each page is filmed at least twice! Once you have the date you can go to the collection of marriages for the appropriate year and find it - usually stored in date order
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=170004&query=%2Bplace%3A%22South%20Africa%2C%20Cape%20Province%22&subjectsOpen=569294-50,335004-50
Unfortunately not many of these collections have been indexed, so you will need to scroll through the films. Also there are very few Catholic records on-line so you may need to contact the church directly

[Gillian Mauchan]

Here is his estate death Notice
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQF-ZPN5?i=1470&cc=2517051
and his civil death notice
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5XQ-BR4?i=11&cc=1779109
and Mary Rose's Estate -page forward for details (gives their place of marriage as Wynberg)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89GJ-XGS3?i=255&cat=2212726
their son Joseph Rex Knieser's death notice
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91C-Q9SD-J?i=1442&cc=2517051
their daughter Magdalen Catherine died in Rhodesia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-C899-3D?i=78&cc=1838530

[MaureenP]

Oh My Goodness  Thank you so much!!Gmauchan!!

All those extra people I can search now :0 plus 2 new marriages :0

James Edward is a cheeky fellow by the looks of it as he was born James Ryan in 1862 in Seacombe Wallasey in Cheshire in England.

His mother Eleanor aka Ellen was born in Maynooth.

It narrows the date a bit too when he arrived here and for his marriage having 6 children in 11 years etc.

Thank you so much again and I will look further into them now!! I am so grateful too as you have also found the correct parents for his wife xx

[Gillian Mauchan]

You are welcome
It looks like their daughter May or Maier died in 1973
BENJAMIN         Maier Goulding            1973-03-10   Cape Town   1548/1973
Unfortunately this year is not on-line - you would need to contact the Cape Archive for a copy
John Patrick Ryan died in 1983
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T4-59KB-J?i=176&cat=2156332
Potential death for Ursula Constance also sadly not online
CHARLES         Ursula Constance Marie            1994-08-09   Cape Town   7190/1994

[Haggar49]

Dear Maureen
 
I was searching  the Internet, for information regarding JERyan,  and came across your entry re James E Ryan.
 
My wife is the great grand daughter of JE Ryan.  I am looking for docs ie birth, marriage, etc

I have a copy of his death certificate if you are interested?

From what the family told me he was an administrator working for lord 

Townsen?

Regards

Raymond ( South Africa)

[pampoen]

Raymond as the post by Maureen was seen in 2019 she may not see your latest reply. If you make 3 posts on the forum you can then send her a personal message which she should then see.

[MaureenP]

Hello Everyone!!

Thank you Pampoen!! ,for advising Raymond to make posts re James Edward Ryan xx

Hello Raymond!!

Apologies re my delay in replying to you. My PC has been in repair and I have just collected it.

Re James Edward Ryan b 1862 without the Edward as a middle name. I have an image of his birth certificate & also his marriage certificate to Mary Rose Knieser in 1897 

I am willing to share them with you.

May I ask which child of their children is her grandparent please ?

James Edward Ryan is my Grt Grand Uncle & his younger brother Joseph Edward Ryan b 1867 is/was my MATERNAL Grt Grandfather.

They were born both in the same town in Seacombe Wallasey aka Poulton cum Seacombe UK & they both added the name " Edward " as a middle name but I dont know why ?

I have no photos of my Ryan family at all. Not even my maternal Grandmother May Agnes Hannah nee Ryan as she passed away 10 days after my Mum was born in June 1921.

Re James Edward Ryan also had a called son James Henry Ryan who to came to UK & married my paternal Great Aunt Laura Kate Cooper but later separated or divorced, but that's another story.

I have no photos of J H Ryan either grr but I know he returned to SA as a joiner with his son Rex Harry Ryan. They lived according to records near James Edward Ryan.

I am hoping too that maybe your wife my newly inherited cousin,  would have a photo to share of any Ryan please?

If its any help too I also have done my DNA with Ancestry and have the kit number.

I noticed you mentioned that he was may have been administrator for a Lord Townsend ??

There were a few of them but may I ask which one just for curiosity.

Hope to hear from you both soon and so sorry for the tardiness.

Maureen

[Haggar49]

Sorry Maureen I have put this project on the back burner for a while owing to family health issues.  I have a tree of my wife family from the Ryans and his death certificate which I can forward to you.  As regards which Townsend I dont know, it just family "memory"

My wifes and my DNS are with 123andme - I can send you a copy of her profile if you like.

Photos ? I dont think so but I will see

I would definitely like a copy of his birth and marriage certificates

So how do we exchange these docs?