Manchester "Peterloo"

[Regorian]

Wiki says first cotton mill 1783, 42 by 1800.

[Viktoria]

Arkwright’s Mill was excavated by Time Team quite some years ago.
It was said to be on Miller St,but more exactly,nearer Angel St and Crown Square.
A massive place.
The team talked about the houses on Angel St but seemed oblivious of the  much smaller dwellings known as “ back to backs”.
(People call terraced houses back to backs but they do have a back exit and are at least two rooms deep.)
IE houses only one room deep,just one door as no back exit because another house was joined on .Three storeys high if you count the attic ,four if you count  a hole for a bed scaraped in the  cellar wall.
Four families might live there ,
At John St a little further along  number 10 was written about by a researcher doing a degree in Social Studies.
There were 19 people dwelling there ,the ground floor was10 x12 feet.
Not all related and probably shift workers so not all there at the same time.
We took a party  of schoolchildren and made 19 stand in the outline of the
 walls still visible .
Too small for a staircase the upper room was accesssed by a ladder flat to the wall ,likewise the draughty attic.
As you can imagine it was on the Cholera map drawn up by  a concerned Doctor.
To think people had to leave their rural dwellings in the fresh air and countryside for the smoke,filth,no clean water ,no sanitation and overcrowding of towns the like of which Manchester rapidly became.
Tragic.
Viktoria.
Sadly it was built over , another @#Ł&&Ł#@ car park.!

[Skoosh]

The right to vote. as fought for by the Radicals, was a long time in coming to the UK & Universal Suffrage was only realized in Northern Ireland in 1968. That much-vaunted British Democracy was a sham & thanks to the un-elected House of Lords still is!   "Courage brothers do not stumble!"

Skoosh.

[sallyyorks]

there is a map of the routes online

Thanks again all. I am very grateful. Could I ask another favour please? Where could I find a map of the routes?

There is a zoomable one here
https://www.all-things-considered.org/product-page/the-peterloo-massacre-map-2017

There is a basic one here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

[searchr]

Thanks again. A little bit more exploration from there gave this site https://www.all-things-considered.org/remember-peterloo
It has a map based on the other one, with names on the routes too!

[sallyyorks]

Wiki says first cotton mill 1783, 42 by 1800.

Most of those would have been small mills, employing about ten people according to Wiki?
The larger, especially coal/steam powered, mills were only just starting up at the turn of the century. 'Old Mill' in Ancoats was built in 1798, but would have been exceptional at the time, but small by mid to late 19th century standards.

I would think most of the weavers, and some spinners, who attended Peterloo would have been working in the domestic/cottage side of production. Both cotton and wool based

Looking at the marriage registers on the Lancashire OPC site might give some idea of probable range of occupations for those attending St Peters field in August 1819.
For example these occupations and places are taken from the marriage register of Saint Marys, in Oldham, January-March 1817. So yes, probably a lot of weavers there. Both industrial and domestic? 

Spinner, [of] Shaw
Weaver, Mumps
Weaver, Hollinwood
Coalminer, Lowside
Weaver, Royton
Rover, King Street Oldham
Spinner, West Street Oldham
Farmer, Denton lane
Hatter, Manchester Street Oldham
Weaver, Royton
Weaver, Greenacres
Hatter, West Street Oldham
Weaver, Crompton
Weaver, Broadway lane
Coalminer, Crompton
Weaver, Glodwick
Weaver, Hunsworth
Cloather, White field
Weaver, George Street Oldham
Spinner, Chadderton
Weaver, Cannon Street Oldham
Weaver, Chadderton
Spinner, Bottom of Greenacres Moor
Weaver, Cowhill
Weaver, Hollinwood
Weaver, West Street Oldham




 

[sallyyorks]

Long list of the injured and witnesses etc in the link here, includes occupations.
http://www.peterloomassacre.org/names.html

List of fatalities
http://www.peterloomassacre.org/deaths.html

[Skoosh]

Shocking stuff Sally!

Skoosh.

[sallyyorks]

Shocking stuff Sally!

Skoosh.

Yes, the panic of such a large crowd must have been terrifying .
There must be a lot of people whose direct ancestors were actually there as well. Anyone else think there ancestors might have attended the meeting?