Where would a peron be buried 1890

[Essnell]

Hi Hallmark and Graeme,

Wow! Hallmark. I should have thought it obvious to get down to the grass roots so to speak. 

We here in OZ  usually have Sextons in each Cemetery  and they were the ones with the records.
You could go to the cemetery ask at the Sexton's office and they could direct you to the exact spot.
 Now it is the local councils who control everything and "online" .  I shall see what I can fined out.

I will start with what Graeme has given us. 

The place in Clogheen was / may be still is  is the local hardware store Corbett and Sons but they do not seem to answer emails. 

i will look into the Cahir people immediately.

thanks so much      I hope the hunting is good and cheerful.

Essnell

[Essnell]

    Hi Graeme and Hallmark

I have contacted the undertakers in Cahir.  Very helpful people.

Firstly their concept of gravediggers was not a good one and they doubted ledger keeping.

They recommended looking in Castlegrace Cemetery which  has already been done by...........

they had also kindly given me the email for the local Clogheen Parish Priest   - not too sure about this as i suspect it is the roman Catholic Church there. However that may still prove useful. 

Best bit though is that they know this fellow who is connected to the Shanrahan Graveyard, Thomas Costelloe.  He is the gravedigger for this Cemetery.  I only have an address and phone nos as mentioned previously.     

I shall  write to him today.   It will take time and I hope he answers.    wish me luck!   

Essnell               

[hallmark]

Can only speak from experience!

Longford County Council took over graveyards...neither Church kept Cemetery records but when they contacted the g/digger he had complete ledgers of everyone buried there.


So too has the one living  near me!


You contacted the undertakers in Cahir.... so if they want to bury someone in an old unmarked grave.....How do they locate where the grave is??

[Essnell]

Hi Hallmark,

     Yes. Bit silly is it not?   That is why these guys are there. 

      I wonder if they have never had to open a really ancient grave.
      I would have thought that those records would have also gone to the County Councils.  I suppose they are not considered official docs so aren't in the spotlight so to speak.

  I have got the letter to Thomas Costelloe ready to go however I cannot post it till Tuesday here in OZ.  Easter weekend and no postal service for 4 days. Need to get the correct postage from the P.O.

I shall post here when I hear from him.

Essnell

 

 
 

[hallmark]

Everything is a matter of luck.....there are Cemeteries that have no records too.

Here.....one often comes across g/stones erected recently by descendants abroad to their g/g/parents etc on graves that were unmarked, how did they find location of grave?


When it comes to Genealogy everything is relative!!   


The likes of here would be where to ask for your area.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/culturenet/archives/tipperary/tipperary-libraries-local/


IF I get time I will go to one in Longford and try to get photo of Ledger and ask to photo Column headings and get Permission to post them here. I photographed them when g/digger (who was also Undertaker)  had Ledgers but can't locate them at moment...... too many memory sticks etc!

[graham saunders]

hi again  just in case you might find it useful the Cof I churh in cahir is st pauls the rev.barbara murray is the dean.however much of her time would be spent  in st marys in clonmel. also in the general cahir/clogheen area a no.of themore affluent were quakers    you may already have this info.if so my apologies

[merrick7]

Essnell

There may be some information here

https://www.ul.ie/library/looney-papers?fbclid=IwAR2KGdUJLiZ-dlVKqbJPhB5T8Ig3WJnwp82sT5Ao2E7XFAvk7BxKsjCwghc

P J

[hallmark]

http://tipperarystudies.ie/digitisation-project/gravestone-inscriptions/

[Essnell]

HI Merrick and Hallmark,

Thank you both for the links.     Merrick - The Looney papers sounded great and that led me to the article in a book about  "The Shaping of the Irish Landscape as a geological study". Tthere is a whole chapter  that talks about Shanbally Castle Estate.  But it has no specifics.    I would really need to get to those originals which seems utterly impossible and improbable.    They could probably confirm some facts already known but in need of something more definite, like the position held by some of the employees and for how long.  I can try to get to one of the archives where these are now held and see what they have to say.

Hallmark the Tipperary Studies has a 366page PDF index of those grave headstone inscriptions already done  It looks like it is all  alphabetical, so when I looked there was not one Alexander  so     that part must not yet been added.  I will keep reviewing.

thanks again both of you. 

also I have not heard anything from the Thomas Costello person but  knowing how long the snail mail takes there is still a possibility there.

Kind regards
  Essnell.