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Edwin Underhill
« on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

I haven't visited the following query for quite some time but here we go again.

I'm trying to find out the maiden name of the mother of my relation Edwin Underhill.
According to previous information that I was kindly sent, he was baptised at St John the Baptist in Bristol March (28th) 1830.


I've followed the family thru the 1841 / 1851 census and I have a birth certificate of one of Edwins siblings that shows a mothers maiden name of Ann John....problem is, its from 1844 which is a long time after 1830 so cant be sure if its the same mother...there were quite a lot of kids.


Is it possible that the church records would show the mothers maiden name on the entry for Edwin's birth? Sorry if its a silly question, but I want to be really certain.


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Kev

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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Transcript of Edwin's baptism gives both parents the surname Underhill (George & Ann)
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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:36 GMT (UK) »
The birth registration you found could include any previous surnames for Ann.

Could this be the marriage though a few miles from Bristol
George Underhill - bachelor
Ann Tazewell - widow
Parish of Weston Zoyland, Somerset
02 Aug 1828
Witnesses   Benjamin Warrington & Hester Herrington

ADDED Ignore that marriage as she is here in 1851 with Tazewell child HO107/1924 f490 p1919

Where are your Underhill family in 1851 and where was Ann born
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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 19:15 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 this is the family, in Temple St, Bristol.

George Underhill 55 Varnish m N (not born in county)
Ann do 45 N
Charles do 15 Y
Edwin do 13 Y
Andrew do 4 Y
Lettice do 1 Y

By 1851 George appears to have remarried to a younger Mary Ann. HO107/1951/387/1.
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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 19:39 GMT (UK) »


According to the GRO Index -

UNDERHILL - the mother's maiden name was: JOHNS

Thomas - 1838 - M Qtr - Bristol Volume 11: Page 158

Letitia - 1840 - J Qtr - Bristol

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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Name:                                       Mother's Maiden Surname:
UNDERHILL, WILLIAM       FLINT

GRO Reference: 1847  J Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 11  Page 132


Child of second 'wife'?

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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 March 19 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aussiekev,  Thank you for the pm. 

PM's are generally only used for sending confidential information so I hope you don't mind but I am posting it here as others need to see what you have replied to me as you do not appear to have replied on this post  ;D


Underhill family were in Bristol on 1841 census and 1851 (with differerent & much younger wife)..
think previous wife died afterr child Nelson Trafalgar born in 1844. This is where maiden is shown as "John(s)".

Problem is Edwin was born in 1830...a long time before BMD registration, so is it the same wife?



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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 March 19 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Googled:

George Underhill, Bristol

and under the heading: Are you decended from George Underhill

from the Bristol Family History is this:

'The Bristol Mercury of 22nd July 1854 carries the following announcement: "Birth, July 15th at Limekiln Lane, to the wife of George UNDERHILL, varnish maker, a son.  This makes the 30th child that Mr UNDERHILL has had born unto him.  Sixteen of his progency survive and three are at present in the Navy, a respect in which they follow the example of their father who served his country in the last great war and was present at the Battle of Trafalgar."

By 1859, the same newspaper announces the arrival of the 33rd child!

Though the family was in Bristol by 1826 when a son Charles was born, George himself was born in Devon.  At the time of the census of 1841 he was a varnish maker aged 55, i.e. born 1786, and his wife Ann was 45, (born c1796).  Children at home were Charles, 15, Edwin, 13, Andrew 4, Thomas, 2 and Lettice,1.  Because of the gap between the births of Edwin and Andrew, I believe Anne was his second wife.  She died in 1844 and George married Mary Ann MAYNE, in 1848.

The family was living at No. 1 Limekiln Lane in 1851.  George is now aged 64, "Greenwich Pensioner, varnish maker" born South Molton, Devon.  As might be expected, his wife Mary Ann, at 25, born at Cannington, Somerset, the third Mrs George UNDERHILL, is less than half his age.  The elder boys Charles and Edwin are missing, presumably at sea, as is the baby Lettice who sadly must have died, and the children living at home are Andrew, 15, Thomas, 14, William, 4, and Henry 1, once again showing the gap between the wives.

In 1855, Andrew was serving aboard HMS Nerbudda when she was last seen at Algoe Bay 10 June 1855.  The Memorial with Andrew's name in the list is at the historic Simons Town Cemetery in South Africa, unfortunately a little defaced by graffiti:

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?  George UNDERHILL married Ann OAKDEN - 16 January 1809, St Paul's Bristol

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Re: Edwin Underhill
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 March 19 17:11 GMT (UK) »
British Newspapers on Line (don't subscribe) by seems a long Obituary


Published: Monday 28 November 1864
Newspapers: Cirencester Times and Cotswold Advertiser
County: Gloucestershire, England

'A Bristol journal announces the death of Mr George UNDERHILL, at the age of eighty.  The deceased served under Lord Nelson in three general engagements viz, Trafalgar, the Nile, and minor character.  several of a By reason of the dense log which prevailed..... '