Patrick Mangan b Ireland 1876

[BenRalph]

Hi all.

I will order the cert from the link provided. Thank you.

They married in the Registry Office which is why I can't access the cert as I usually would (on Ancestry other going to the library in town as I live in Leeds).

[Maiden Stone]

Hi all.

I will order the cert from the link provided. Thank you.

They married in the Registry Office which is why I can't access the cert as I usually would (on Ancestry other going to the library in town as I live in Leeds).

Does it say in the index "Registry Office or Registrar attended"? The marriage may have been in a church which wasn't C. of E. and conducted by a clergyman who wasn't licensed to perform marriages. If that was the case, either a member of staff from the registry office had to go to the church to witness the wedding and take care of the administration part, or the couple had to visit the registry office and have a separate civil wedding. A religious wedding ceremony in a non-Anglican church wasn't a legal marriage unless a registrar was present.

[BenRalph]

The marriage is listed on Yorkshire BMD as the Registry Office only. There's no duplicate for a non-CofE marriage.

[Maiden Stone]

The marriage is listed on Yorkshire BMD as the Registry Office only. There's no duplicate for a non-CofE marriage.

It says "Holbeck District Registered Building" on Yorkshire BMD. A lot of others have "Registered Building" too.  I'm used to Lancashire BMD which has "Registry Office or Registrar Attended" for marriages in churches which weren't C. of E. If Patrick and Mary Ann were both R.C. there may have been a church ceremony as well. If they had their children baptised in a Catholic church there may have been a "regularising" marriage ceremony around same time as a baptism. They married shortly before a change in Catholic marriage rules was applied in England 1908.

[BenRalph]

The marriage is listed on Yorkshire BMD as the Registry Office only. There's no duplicate for a non-CofE marriage.

It says "Holbeck District Registered Building" on Yorkshire BMD. A lot of others have "Registered Building" too.  I'm used to Lancashire BMD which has "Registry Office or Registrar Attended" for marriages in churches which weren't C. of E. If Patrick and Mary Ann were both R.C. there may have been a church ceremony as well. If they had their children baptised in a Catholic church there may have been a "regularising" marriage ceremony around same time as a baptism. They married shortly before a change in Catholic marriage rules was applied in England 1908.

Yes, the Holbeck Registered Building is/was a registry office. I've looked on Ancestry and there's no other entry to say there was a church ceremony. I also can't find any Baptisms for any of the children. I think the only catholic church around Holbeck is St Francis of Assisi.

[Maiden Stone]

Yes, the Holbeck Registered Building is/was a registry office. I've looked on Ancestry and there's no other entry to say there was a church ceremony. I also can't find any Baptisms for any of the children. I think the only catholic church around Holbeck is St Francis of Assisi.

Just because it's not on Ancestry doesn't mean it didn't happen!    A lot of Catholic and Non-Conformist records are not digitised.

[BenRalph]

Yes, the Holbeck Registered Building is/was a registry office. I've looked on Ancestry and there's no other entry to say there was a church ceremony. I also can't find any Baptisms for any of the children. I think the only catholic church around Holbeck is St Francis of Assisi.

Just because it's not on Ancestry doesn't mean it didn't happen!    A lot of Catholic and Non-Conformist records are not digitised.

There's no record of the marriage taking place anywhere other than Holbeck Registry Office and no sign that there was a ceremony/marriage in a Non-Conformist church. I've checked Ancestry, FindMyPast and YorkshireBMD and there's no sign of anything other than it being in the registry office.

[heywood]

Hopefully we will find out when you receive the certificate 

Yorkshire BMD for Leeds does not show the option ‘Registry Office/Registrar attended’ - it does for some areas but I can’t see it for Leeds.

If it were in church, there might be annotations which may help.

[BenRalph]

I've got the marriage certificate.

Patrick Mannion 29 years. Living at 15 Clapham Street, Holbeck. Father John Mannion. General labourer.