help needed please regarding a Frances Dorothy Kemp born in Glasgow

[Rosinish]

From jc26red's details on the Kemp family in the Glasgow area, this I think is them from the 1911 index, all under the ref of 644/5 16/ 17 - Garngadhill, Lanark.
   
Charles 40
Mary 38
Peter 16
Mary 14
Eliza 8
Charlotte 7
Catherine 4
Peter 69
John 32

Monica

Added: Baby Charles who showed in 1901 died that same year.

I know it's Frances Dorothy who is your target but reading your last post...

Monica: unless that was the last known profession of Charles Kemp maybe?

I’m struggling to think of a reason why they chose to move to Devon from Glasgow - and when?

It would be an idea to look at the original 1911 census & some of the marriages of the children of Charles Kemp to find out what his/their occupations were as this may help with the answer to the move so far south?
Sometimes we need to expand our search outwith one person in particular as events in between can differ.

I'm sure people wondered why I posted births for Frances Dorothy & Dorothy Frances i.e. I will explain...it has been known for people with forename & middle name to change them round or someone else change them round for whatever reasons.
It's a great tool on SP when you type in names such as 'Frances Dorothy' it automatically brings up all with both names.

Annie

[olives]

Thanks, Anne. That's useful to know. That was to be my next step researching Charles' other children for "clues".

[Rosinish]

From connected thread...

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=809584.msg6693173

I’ve never meant to duplicate anything on here or cause unnecessary research for anyone. As I say, I’m just finding my way round the site. And as the family aren’t able to produce any conclusive evidence of a Scottish link then I thought it might be easier to take a new approach and look at Plymouth, for which we do have written evidence.

Do you know of any blood or step siblings for Frances by forename which may give a lead on finding birth certs. with a mother's name or do you have a mother's name to look for a marriage for Charles?

Annie

[olives]

Sadly, no to both, Annie. It would have made things a lot more easier if we had that info! Frances always told her daughters she’d been adopted (absolutely no record) but I guess we can’t guarantee this is correct.

That’s why I started a new search in Plymouth, as we know for sure Frances’ dad worked there, so we thought if we pursued that aspect then it could help us confirm whether we’ve actually got the right Charles Kemp as listed earlier in the replies I got.

Someone said earlier that 94 Warleigh Avenue, Plymouth, was the Jenkin household (frances’ Husband to be). However, the limited access I have to the 1939 register indicates it’s a Mr & Mrs Mason and Frances we know was a domestic servant for them.

[Rosinish]

"When the marriage took place on 2/7/1940 between Frances Dorothy Kemp and Charles Frederick Percival Jenkin - in Devenport - it’s listed as frances’s Dad (Charles Kemp) being a labourer at H.M.D Plymouth"

If Charles is the one found in the census' in Scotland it would seem the move to Devon was because someone was probably in the Navy or connected somehow?

Have you found a death for Charles Kemp to find out who the informant was?

Annie

[Rosinish]

Is it possible Frances could have been born in Port Glasgow rather than Glasgow?

Port Glasgow is close to Greenock in Renfrew known for shipping/ship building.

There's this birth although the date is out from what you have;

PETTICREW FRANCES DOROTHY 1919
564/1 293 Greenock East

I haven't time at the moment to check for a marriage/death in Scotland but maybe someone else could check?

Have you got a birth date for Frances as there have been a few with different/wrong dates on 1939 register to what they have?

Annie

Edit...No marriage or death (which would fit) found for a Frances/Frances D Petticrew/Pettigrew

[olives]

I guess she could have been born anywhere in that area, Annie. It’s so difficult without any information to go on.

I’ve just been trawling through the deaths for Charles, but have to go out soon. Think I’ll also look more into the Dockyard records and see if I can find out any dates there, at least that would help in determining whether he had any middle name/dates, etc.

Not for,the faint hearted, eh??😉

[Rosinish]

Such a pity there's no names for siblings to go on.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=charles+kemp

They can be narrowed down by dates.

Annie

[olives]

Thanks, Annie.  Think we've come to a brick wall without any definitive info for Frances Dorothy, although her two remaining daughters seem to be sure of her birthday as 02/07/1917, but they don't have any certificate to prove this, so I don't know what to think.

I've found a possible death for a Charles Kemp in Plymouth in 1958 (age 81).  Vol 7A; P 583, L 99.  Does anyone please have any access anywhere to view the informant's name or any other details on his death record?