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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 28 February 19 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Was there a second Anne? Anne on 1871 census was too young to be same Anne.
Wiliam Francis might have been a different boy to the William on 1871.
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 28 February 19 23:35 GMT (UK) »
A Job Barrow married in Lancashire 1862. I can't find a matching marriage for an Esther Barry, Byrne or Burn.
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 28 February 19 23:44 GMT (UK) »
A Job Barrow married in Lancashire 1862. I can't find a matching marriage for an Esther Barry, Byrne or Burn.



Am really wondering how "accurate" that Ancestry "tree" is!


Are there proven Sources for anyone on it??
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 28 February 19 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Census 1861   at Clare Street Liverpool
BARROW Job              28 yrs              bootmaker        b. Warrington, Lancashire
BARROW Esther          28 yrs             boot binder       b. Ireland
BARROW Benjamin     5 yrs                                        b. Liverpool
BARROW Ann             3 yrs                                        b. Liverpool
BARROW Job              7 mths                                    b. Liverpool
POTHERWELL John     81 yrs  lodger  widower              b. Wigan, Lancashire

 
 



Must be a different Job as Shaz knows her Great Grandfather was the son of Esther and job

Job Barrow
1859–1921
Birth 1859 • Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death JUN 1921 • Warrington, Lancashire, England


 
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #31 on: Friday 01 March 19 01:22 GMT (UK) »
There was also a Job Barrow married in Sussex in 1855.
Edit. Hailsham, Sussex.
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #32 on: Friday 01 March 19 01:41 GMT (UK) »

Your great grandfather Job BARROW b. ~ 1860...who did he marry, when did he marry.

Which of his sons / daughters is your grandparent?

How have you found the names of the people who are your grandparents?

How have you identified any of these people to be your ancestors?..........only by using an online family tree?

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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #33 on: Friday 01 March 19 02:04 GMT (UK) »

This is my Great Grandfather the son of Esther and job
Job Barrow
1859–1921
Birth 1859 • Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death JUN 1921 • Warrington, Lancashire, England

Was birth year of 1859 taken from his age at death or have you identified a birth registration for a Job Barrow who was born or registered in 1859?
 The year of birth on an index to death registrations on family history sites is calculated by subtracting the stated age of the deceased at death from the year the death was registered. Therefore the resulting year of birth is only an estimate. Many will be out by a year at least. English death certificates give age at death, as stated by informant, not year of birth.  GRO Index which is the official government index gives age at death.
Information about age given to registry office staff by informant of death wasn't always accurate either.
I searched for a Job Barrow birth 1860 + or - 2 years in Lancashire on FindMyPast. The only one was registered in Liverpool in 1860. The Job who was aged 7 months on 1861 census would have been born and registered in 1860. Census was taken in March or April except for 1841. Job Barrow on 1861 census would have been born in late summer or early autumn 1860.
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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #34 on: Friday 01 March 19 03:05 GMT (UK) »

GRO  births

BARROW, Benjamin  Sep Q 1855 Liverpool Vol 08b  Page 229v  mothers maiden surname BYRNE     

BARROW, Ann Jane  Jan Q 1858 Liverpool  Vol 08b  Page 194    mothers maiden surname BYRNE

BARROW Job          Sep Q  1860 Liverpool  Vol 08b  Page 208   mothers maiden surname  BURNS

BARROW, Willaim   Dec Q 1863  Liverpool Vol 08b  Page 233    mothers maiden surname BYRNE

Other possible birth registrations in Liverpool from GRO with mother's maiden name Byrne:
1854 Ann; 1870 John
There was also Mary Barron 1867, mother's maiden name Byrne. I included it in case letter w had been mistaken for n.

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Re: Estehr Barry (Barrow)
« Reply #35 on: Friday 01 March 19 03:56 GMT (UK) »
Ann Jane was baptised at St. Peter, Liverpool 1859. Abode Gerard Street. Date of birth stated was 18th March 1858. (From Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website)

These may be marriages of 2 of the children, both at St. Paul, Warrington:
24th Dec. 1877
Benjamin Barrow, age 22, abode Howard St.
Elizabeth Jane Whitfield
Groom's father Job Barrow, cordwainer

7th June 1885
William Barrow, age 20, ironworker, Froghall Lane
Mary Langton

Another Wiliam Barrow, also with a father called Job married in 1885 at St. George, Everton.
25th Dec. 1885
William Barrow, 22, bachelor, Netherfield Road
Louisa Howe, 23, widow
Groom's father Job Barrow, butcher

Adding to confusion, 3 daughters of a Job Barrow, shoemaker married between 1852-62.
1852 St. Luke, Farnworth, Widnes
Thomas Green, shoemaker, St. Helens
Mary Ann Barrow, age 20, St. Helens
Bride's father Job Barrow, shoemaker

4th June 1855 St. Mary the Virgin, Prescot
Richard Littler, millwright, widower
Elizabeth Barrow
Groom's father Richard Littler, carpenter
Bride's father Job Barrow, shoemaker

3rd Nov. 1862 St. Mary the Virgin, Prescot
Richard Littler, 24, bachelor, carpenter
Jane Barrow, 24, spinster
Groom's father Richard Littler, carpenter
Bride's father Job Barrow, shoemaker

Slight deviation: Could this have been father and son who married 2 sisters?  :-\ If the Richard Littler, groom in second marriage was same man as in 1855 wedding, the second marriage was illegal.  ::)

The Job Barrow who was father of those 3 daughters must have been older than the one whose wife was Esther. There was a death registration of a Job Barrow in Prescot district 1859.
Prescot, Widnes and St. Helens are not far from Liverpool and Warrington.

An earlier baptism. 6th April 1828 at St. Elphin, Warrington. Job Barrow, son of Benjamin & Ann. Abode Horsemarket; occupation shoemaker.
A Benjamin Barrow had several children baptised with wife Ann and there were also baptisms for children of Benjamin & Marjery.
A bit more confusion re surnames. Martha Barrow, a daughter of Ben the shoemaker, married William Berry at Warrington 1847. So their children would have had surname Berry and mother's maiden surname Barrow. If registrar or transcriber wasn't careful, they might both have been Barry. ???
All information from LAN OPC.
I know this doesn't help with Esther but it helps fill in Job and differentiate him from others of that name in the area.


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