Osman & Liddell family research (MONTROSE)

[kjmck]

I'm trying to piece together a timeline for both Elizabeth and her father Robert.

ELIZABETH
1808 - give/take a couple years. BIRTH at either Montford or Montrose. No Baptismal record found.
1828 - 18/03/1828 at Bo'ness. 'John Brown Mariner & Elizabeth Osman in this Parish Enrolled their
          names to be proclaimed for Marriage'. Possible marriage.
1833 - Rough birth year of daughter Agnes Fleming, Glasgow.
1835 - Rough birth year of daughter Mary Fleming, Glasgow.
1840 - Rough birth year of son John Fleming, Glasgow.
1851 - Census. Transcribed as Mary. 45 Shuttle Street, Glasgow. 44yo.
1856 - Elizabeth Wiseman on daughter Mary's marriage record (widow).
1861 - Census. 'Mrs Fleming'. 5 Barrels Lane, Wash Woman. 55yo. Head.
1871 - Census. Elisabeth Fleming. 26 Duke St, Washer. Mo-in-Law. 63yo.
1877 - 16/03/1877. DEATH, 305 High Street, Glas. Wid. of John Fleming (General Carter).

So still no marriage record for Elizabeth & John Fleming. If it is Elizabeth who married John Brown in 1828, maybe John Brown died and Elizabeth remarried John Fleming. Maybe Elizabeth was guilty of bigamy and married John Fleming under a different name? According to the death record for Elizabeth's sister Mary in 1855, Mary was born c.1813 'on the field of Waterloo', so perhaps Elizabeth was too?

[kjmck]

ROBERT OSMAN

1766 - 15/06/1766, Baptism, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England. Son of James Osman & Betty
1786 - 28/02/1786, Enlisted in the 8th Reg't of Foot. 
1805 - 19/05/1805. Marriage to Margaret Liddle @ Montrose, Forfar, Scotland.
1807 - 17/06/1807, Baptism of son David Osman, @ Bo'ness
1808 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Elizabeth Osman.
1808 - 23/12/1808, death of son David @ Bo'ness.
1809 - 06/12/1809, left 8th Reg't of Foot.
1809 - 07/12/1809, Enlisted in the 3rd Royal Vet's Batt'n.
1813 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Mary Osman (@ Waterloo?)
1815 - Discharged from military aged 49.
1816 - 01/12/1816. Baptism of daughter, Jane Osman @ Bo'ness.
1830 - 01/12/1830. Possible death @ Bo'ness. Cause - Sudden Death. Age - 61.

I wonder why Robert would have ended up marrying in Scotland?

Possible birth record match for Margaret Liddle (WIFE). Bapt. 20/11/1775 @ Bo'ness, daughter of David Liddell & Helen Tennant.

[Liviani]

ROBERT OSMAN

1766 - 15/06/1766, Baptism, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England. Son of James Osman & Betty
1786 - 28/02/1786, Enlisted in the 8th Reg't of Foot. 
1805 - 19/05/1805. Marriage to Margaret Liddle @ Montrose, Forfar, Scotland.
1807 - 17/06/1807, Baptism of son David Osman, @ Bo'ness
1808 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Elizabeth Osman.
1808 - 23/12/1808, death of son David @ Bo'ness.
1809 - 06/12/1809, left 8th Reg't of Foot.
1809 - 07/12/1809, Enlisted in the 3rd Royal Vet's Batt'n.
1813 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Mary Osman (@ Waterloo?)
1815 - Discharged from military aged 49.
1816 - 01/12/1816. Baptism of daughter, Jane Osman @ Bo'ness.
1830 - 01/12/1830. Possible death @ Bo'ness. Cause - Sudden Death. Age - 61.

I wonder why Robert would have ended up marrying in Scotland?

Possible birth record match for Margaret Liddle (WIFE). Bapt. 20/11/1775 @ Bo'ness, daughter of David Liddell & Helen Tennant.

More than likely, Robert was stationed in Montrose with his Regiment. Montrose is, and has been for hundreds of years, a port town. So the military would've utilised this.

Between the time of him enlisting and him marrying Margaret Liddle in Montrose, the Regiment were involved in the French Revolutionary Wars.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_(The_King's)_Regiment_of_Foot

In 1793, revolutionary France declared war on Great Britain. The King's became assigned to an expeditionary force sent to the Netherlands under the command of Prince Frederick, Duke of York.[63] In 1794, the regiment attempted to lift the French Siege of Nijmegen. The allies planned a nocturnal attack, with the march conducted without audible commotion. The force leapt into the French earthworks, with hand-to-hand fighting ensuing. Despite the success, the town of Nijmegen was soon evacuated and the British withdrew from the Netherlands in 1795.[64]

In 1799, the King's became resident on Menorca, which had been captured from Spain the previous year.[65] In 1801, the regiment landed at Abukir Bay, Egypt, with an expedition sent under the command of General Ralph Abercromby to counter a French invasion.[66] The King's participated in the capture of Rosetta, 65 miles west of Alexandria,[67] and a fort located in Romani.[68] The British completed the occupation of Egypt by September.[68]

[MadMare]

ROBERT OSMAN

1766 - 15/06/1766, Baptism, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England. Son of James Osman & Betty
1786 - 28/02/1786, Enlisted in the 8th Reg't of Foot. 
1805 - 19/05/1805. Marriage to Margaret Liddle @ Montrose, Forfar, Scotland.
1807 - 17/06/1807, Baptism of son David Osman, @ Bo'ness
1808 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Elizabeth Osman.
1808 - 23/12/1808, death of son David @ Bo'ness.
1809 - 06/12/1809, left 8th Reg't of Foot.
1809 - 07/12/1809, Enlisted in the 3rd Royal Vet's Batt'n.
1813 - Possible year of birth for daughter, Mary Osman (@ Waterloo?)
1815 - Discharged from military aged 49.
1816 - 01/12/1816. Baptism of daughter, Jane Osman @ Bo'ness.
1830 - 01/12/1830. Possible death @ Bo'ness. Cause - Sudden Death. Age - 61.

I wonder why Robert would have ended up marrying in Scotland?

Possible birth record match for Margaret Liddle (WIFE). Bapt. 20/11/1775 @ Bo'ness, daughter of David Liddell & Helen Tennant.

Hi there!
Unfortunately I cannot respond to the message you sent me on here me a week ago. Probably because I'm not a paying member 

Robert is, indeed, our common ancestor. He is my ggg?-grandfather. All my data is on my external drive, which I need to hook up, so I'm not quite sure how many greats past he is.

Anyhow, I definitely would like to chat!

Did you get anywhere with his daughter, Mary, who claims she was born on the Field of Waterloo? From what I've found, thus far, Robert wasn't even at Waterloo, but I didn't have the transfer to the 3rd Royal Vets. Where did you find that?

All that said, you can email me at madmarestudio @gmail.com (remove the space before the @).
I would love to talk to you about this.

Eileen

[MadMare]

ROBERT OSMAN
. . .
1766 - 15/06/1766, Baptism, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England. Son of James Osman & Betty
1786 - 28/02/1786, Enlisted in the 8th Reg't of Foot. 
1805 - 19/05/1805. Marriage to Margaret Liddle @ Montrose, Forfar, Scotland.
. . .

Robert may have been married previous to Margaret Liddle. Check out Margaret Tweedale of Linlithgowshire. There is an OPR for son born (I need to hook up that drive!!). He was either born in 1804 or passed in 1804. I think Tweedale may have died in childbirth and David soon followed.

Argh! I can't remember. I'll post once I get the info up.

Eileen