Thomas and Hannah Messenger

[Trixy]

Hello,

I hope someone can help me trace Thomas and Hannah Messenger.

 Thomas was born about 1823 Stokenchurch Oxon, and Hannah was born about 1833 West Bromwich according to the 1861 Census and all the children I have are born in Stokenchurch.

 I'm trying to find out Hannah's maiden name and where and when they married. One of their sons is called Walter Stanton Messenger, could this be Hannah's maiden name?
I have looked at freebmd but to no avail.

Thanks  any help appreciated.

[Milliepede]

Hello

If they had any children after late 1837 it's possible to look up the mothers maiden name on the General Register Office site.

When was Walter born?  It could be that Stanton was his mothers maiden name as you suggest.

[Milliepede]

I see Walter is 0 on the 1861 census and found this birth registration.

Walter Stanton Messenger Jun 1861 Wycombe registration district

Mothers maiden name Stanton so you are quite correct 

[Milliepede]

Daughter Catherine Hannah who is 2 in 1861 also has mothers maiden name Stanton for her birth registration in Dec 1858 Wycombe

and there is a Jane Elizabeth Jun 1857 who may have been another child who died that same year.

Not finding a marriage yet.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
It looks like she is the daughter of William Stanton and Jane  nee Hares
Hannah d of William and Jane Stanton All Saints WB 13.1.1833

Parents marriage at Tipton  9.4.1832

1841 census Great Road (Great Bridge area /Tipton) next to Roebuck lane.
William Stanton 25 turner y
Jane 25
Hannah 8
Thomas 20 turner

There is another Ann bapt 1832 but she is the daughter of William and Ann and with them on the 1861 census.

William and Jane came from Walsall nearby and seem to go back there.
Thomas 2.8.1846
William 5.11.1848
Mary Ann 28.8.1849
John 1.12.1850
George 11.8.1852
Jane 19.2.1854

Ciderdrinker

[Flickety]

Hi, have you got much further with Thomas and Hannah? They are my 3xgreat grandparents and I have been able to find out a bit more about them over time from the censuses in particular.

In 1841 Thomas lived with his parents William and Elizabeth (nee Molineux) in Stokenchurch but by 1851 he had left Stokenchurch to go into service in London - he's listed as a footman in the household of MP William Evans.

Meanwhile Hannah was born in 1833 to William Stanton and Jane nee Hares in West Bromwich. They were in West Bromwich in 1841 but in 1851 in Shenstone near Lichfield where I believe William was working for a large estate.

In 1855 they married in All Saints Church Spofforth - from the marriage certificate (from memory) it's possible to deduce that both William Stanton and Thomas Messenger were working at Rudding Park (now a hotel where I stayed once with my husband before I knew any of this!). William was a gamekeeper. In 1861 they were in Stokenchurch with 2 children and a servant and Thomas was I think working in chair making like the rest of the family. Hannah then died in 1871 and Thomas in 1873, I haven't seen their death certificates so not sure of the cause. They had 3 more children by this stage who seemed to be scattered to other households in the area as lodgers and servants in the following censuses.

If you look at Familysearch I and others have linked as many documents as possible and done a lot more of the tree (with any luck accurately!!). I have also got my DNA on Ancestry (and imported to gedmatch) but I haven't any definite links to other descendants of the Stantons so not clear whether it is all correct. I have lots of other Messenger ancestors though so that muddies the waters with Thomas' side of things. It would be great to know if you have your DNA anywhere and if we match or if that has yielded any clues for you.