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Offline Claddagh

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Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« on: Thursday 21 February 19 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone,

I'm having a challenging time reading the names of the sponsors for Robert Johnson.

Robert Johnson son of James Johnson and Esther Lenhan

Sponsors: John or Thomas Doyter or Doyle (Is the surname a B, D or ?) and Bridget Lehnan or Johnson

Thanks for having a look!
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Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan/Lennon, Heydon/Hayden

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 February 19 21:13 GMT (UK) »
After much fiddling in photoshop, I see "Robert of James & Esther Johnson John Boyles & Bridget ??hnan.

The B in Boyles could be a D, but in the line below there is a capital D that suggests otherwise.  The "for sure" D starts with a big loop going left to right concave curve at the top left of the letter, whereas the B in Boyle starts with a small convex curve going upwards ( if that makes sense to you!).

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 February 19 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi any chance of a reference to where this can be located. Sometimes it is easier to see it from the original scan/copy.

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 February 19 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much bbart! I wasn't convinced that it was a "D" and was trying to compare other "B" letters. Boyles makes sense.

Esther Lenhan's sister was named Bridget Lenhan. I wonder if Lenhan was actually "Lennon".

Esther Lenhan's grandson James named his son Gregory Lennon. I'm convinced that Lenhan is actually Lennon or even Lennan. That surnames changes often in the various "Birth" and "Marriage" documents that I've found.

I appreciate your help.
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Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan/Lennon, Heydon/Hayden

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun


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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 February 19 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help shanreagh!

I found this information in the "NLI", page 92, April 1833 to July 1833. Robert was born in Co. Wicklow, Ireland.

It seems that the information I seed is always challenging to read.  ;)
Dunlavin, Co. Wicklow, Ireland:  Johnson, Donnelly, Lenhan/Lennan/Lennon, Heydon/Hayden

Co. Cavan, Ireland: Kiernan
Co. Sligo, Ireland: McGowan

Co. Tyrone, Ireland: Brogan, Curran, McBride, McDade, McDaid, McFadden, McFaiden, Nolan

London, England:  Smith/Smyth
Scotland: McGoun

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 February 19 23:06 GMT (UK) »
NLI   page 92   Co Wicklow ... but what is the name of the Parish please?

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 February 19 23:38 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if Lenhan was actually "Lennon".

I was thinking along the lines of "Lenehan", but in this case, there doesn't seem to be enough room for the extra e.  The ink has faded so badly, the first part of the name is pretty much gone.

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 February 19 00:10 GMT (UK) »
I think it is John Boyle and Bridgett? ?enhnan. Just cannot get the first letter back of Bridgett's surname, not got photoshop on this computer. What I am seeing at a double 'tt' in Bridget may be the stick stroke of the first letter of her surname but that would make it a bit longer than Lenhnan.

If you have a Bridget of an age and in the locality then I would be tempted to put her in meantime as the sponsors were usually often family or family connections.

OP in a page of 'relatively' readable entries you are right in saying yours is a difficult one, because of the fading.   :)

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Re: Name of Sponsors - Can you decipher them?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 February 19 00:29 GMT (UK) »
rootsireland transcribe it as John Doyle and Bridget Lenhan.
Coffey, Cummins [Rathfalla, Tipperary], Cummins [Skirke, Laois], Curran, Dillon [Clare], Fogarty [Garran, Laois/Tipp], Hughes, Keshan (Keeshan), Loughman [Harristown and Killadooley, Laois], Mallon [Armagh], Malone, Markham [Caherkine, Clare], McKeon(e) [Sligo/Kilkenny/Waterford], McNamara, Meagher, Prescott [Kilkenny/Waterford/Wexford?], Rafferty, Ryan, Sullivan, Tobin
GEDMatch: T665306 tested with Family Tree DNA and also with ancestry
GEDCOM file: 1980344