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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #18 on: Friday 22 February 19 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Gertrude Tiffin & John Michael Flanagan- Gertrude's life up until 2nd marriage in 1898-

Gertrude Anne Tiffin (1863 Waterford-1950 Toronto) m.(1883 Waterford) John Michael Flanagan (d.1893/1897?); m.(1898 Belfast) John Forsythe, farmer, son of James (farmer)
   1884- 3 Wolff St. Belfast, book keeper
   1888- Gertrude Flanagan 8 Willowfield St. informant for birth of Mary Jane Somerville
   1893- 43 Upper Frank St.
   a. Jessie Lowry Vigurs Flanagan (1884 Belfast) m. David Foy- family
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02672/1984713.pdf
   www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blackrock/Markstown_Road/1314142 (with Aylward family)
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10141/5689830.pdf
   www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Candahar_Street/210748
   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M1-CXXH
   https://billiongraves.com/grave/person/17854028
   b. William Frederick Flanagan (1885 Waterford-1953)
   c. George Barrett Flanagan (1893-1893)
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02296/1861299.pdf
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05996/4706002.pdf
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #19 on: Friday 22 February 19 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Gertrude from 1898-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10423/5795289.pdf
•   Mid-Ulster Mail, 9 June 1900: SPIRIT GROCER LICENSE. Mr. Harbison appeared to apply for a spirit grocer's license for Mrs. Gertrude Forsythe, of Coltrim. Mr. Meeke and Mr. Ekin said except they were shown that there were special circumstances why the applicant should be heard now …
•   Tyrone Courier, 14 June 1900: APPLICATION FOR A SPIRIT GROCER’S LICENCE. Mr Harbison, Magherafelt, applied for spirit grocer’s licence for Mrs Gertrude Forsythe, Coltrim. On the advice of the magistrates the application was withdrawn, and will brought forward the ordinary licensing …
•   Mid-Ulster Mail, 8 Sept.1900: THE WORKING OF THE NEW ACT.  ,,. Gertrude Forsythe, Coltrim, applied for a new spirit license …
•   Ballymena Weekly Telegraph, 8 Sept.1900: The licensing business was then taken up. Gertrude Forsythe, Coltrim, applied for spirit grocer's licence. Mr. Townsend., D. _., objected on the grounds of sufficient number of …
•   Irish News & Belfast Morning News: LICENSE.—County Londonderry, Division of Magherafelt, to wit. Taka Notice, that I, GERTRUDE FORSYTHE, of Coltrim, in the County of Londonderry, intend to apply …
1901- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Moneymore/Coltrim/1534589 Gertrude age born c1860 Waterford
•   Northern Constitution, 7 Sept.1901: Moneymore Notes. … special bailiffs, was adjourned on application of defendant's solicitor. John Forsyth, Coltrim, was ordered to pay 2s 6d weekly for the maintenance of his stepson, William F. Flanagan, at the Malone Protestant Reformatory, Belfast. Sergeant Bell was complainant in this case. …
•   Belfast Newsletter, 4 Dec.1901: PETTY SESSIONS.  … order against John Forsythe, Coltrim, for £1 7s 6d, lieu of an order made by the Court to contribute to the maintenance of step-child in an industrial school. Wm. Park, Cookstown, and Thomas Murphy, special Murphy, special bailiffs charged Wm. Forsythe, Coltrim, with assault and rescue in making seizure in case of Weir v. Gertrude Forsythe. Mr Venables for plaintiffs, and Mr. _ Brown for defendant. The defendant was returned for trial to the quarter sessions Mary Anne Forsythe charged John Forsythe with the larceny of seven bags of oats. Mr. Brown for plaintiff, and Mr. Malone …
•   Belfast Newsletter 5 Feb.1902: John Forsythe, Coltrim, being drunk and disorderly. This was adjourned case pending an action Forsythe against the constable for assault …
Children of Gertrude & John-
   d. Helen Claudine Forsythe (11 June 1899 Coltrim-aft.1920)
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02044/1782986.pdf (registered as Violet Marguerite Gertrude- mother Gertrude Forsythe formerly Flanagan previously Tiffin)
   e. Violet Marguerite Forsythe (1901) m.(1920 Belfast)
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01926/1746089.pdf
   https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09256/5350965.pdf
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #20 on: Friday 22 February 19 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Think Gertrude & John Forsythe split up some time around 1902-
1903- Gertrude Forsythe 58 Paxton St. informant for birth of Esther Somerville
1911- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Crossgar/Derryboy/239389 Gertrude again widowed- born c1865 Waterford- married 27 years 5 children/4 living

Now for John Forsythe-
•   Tyrone Constitution, 26 Aug.1881: COOKSTOWN BOARD OF GUARDIANS. … evening telegram was received at police barrack from Portadown, making inquiries regarding young man named John Forsythe, who resides Coltrim. about three miles out town. Some time ago he was an inmate of the Lunatic Asylum, Londonderry, and was sent home in apparently sound state of mind. For the past few days he has been showing some signs of recklessness, and …
When John Forsythe married Gertrude his father is listed as James (farmer). Based on dates, townland and the fact that we know he & Gertrude were apart from at least 1903 (and the fact that he's the only John Forsythe of Coltrim at this time), I think he 'married' again-

John, son of James farmer, & Isabella Simpson married 1910-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09981/5629628.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Moneymore/Coltrim/615273
Jane born & died 1915- parents John Forsythe & Bella Simpson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01363/1562078.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05262/4459909.pdf
Mid-Ulster Mail, 19 Oct.1940: FORSYTHE—October 16, 1940, at her residence, Coltrim, Moneymore, Bella, the beloved wife of John Forsythe. Deeply regretted.
Forsythe Isabella of Coltrim county Londonderry died 16 October 1940 Administration Belfast 31 January to John Forsythe farmer the husband. Effects £5.
Northern Whig, 12 Jan.1949: FORSYTHE— January 11, 1949 (suddenly), at his residence, Coltrim, Moneymore, John Forsythe. Funeral Arrangements later
Forsythe John of Coltrim Moneymore county Londonderry farmer died 11 January 1949 Probate Belfast 27 April to Hugh Cochrane Conn presbyterian minister and Robert Alexander Brown farmer. Effects £6455 14s. 4d.
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #21 on: Friday 22 February 19 11:24 GMT (UK) »
Have to stop for now but will post details of Gertrude, John Michael Flanagan, etc. later.
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #22 on: Friday 22 February 19 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi aghadowey,

Thankyou so much for the information you found on my ancestors, what you have found has filled in so many gaps.
All your help is very much appreciated, i will look forward in receiving information on John Michael Flanagan and Gertrude in due cause.

Regards
  Gary ;)
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Flanagan - Waterford, Clonmel Co.Tipperary Ireland. Belfast N.Ireland.

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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 07 March 19 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Sorry it took a while to get back to this.

Marriages (1915 & 1916) for William Frederick Flanagan list father as John Flanagan (dec.)
Cecilia Kathleen Flanagan- born 13 Nov.1916 Blackrock, Cork https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01324/1546907.pdf

However- could this be a previous marriage for your William Frederick Flanagan?
Hampshire Chronicle, 5 June 1909: Flanagan —Bulpitt.—On the _st May, at the Parish Church, Bernard, William Frederick Flanagan, of the Royal Irish Fusiliers, only son of Mr. and Mrs. Flanagan, the Pall Mall, Waterford, Ireland, to Kate, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Bulpitt, Back-lane
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 07 March 19 23:18 GMT (UK) »
John Flanagan who died 1897 Dublin and seems to have widow Maria & three daughter.

John Flanagan (c1850-1897, 10 Villa Bank), commercial traveler, m. Maria (c1849 Dublin-aft.1901)
Glasnevin- John Flanagan, age 47, Villa Bank, buried 1897
1. Josephine Joanna Flanagan (c1870 Dublin-aft.1911) m.(1891 Dublin) Bernard Whelan.
1891- 50 Geraldine St. http://ir.speakingsame.com/p.php?q=Phibsboro,%20Dublin+7&id=306682 https://lovindublin.com/lifestyle/property/this-2-bedroom-house-in-phibsboro-is-absolutely-gorgeous-on-the-inside JF Lombard and E McMahon, developers of the day in the area, built the Geraldine Street houses between 1868 and 1890.
2. Kathleen Flanagan (c1876 Dublin-aft.1911)
Kate & sister Nellie in 1911? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWST-YZW
3. Millie/Nellie Flanagan (c1881 Dublin-aft.1911)

In theory it should be easy enough to find births for those daughters.

There is this baptism but I can't find matching birth registration-
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of MARIA FLANAGAN of 4 JOHNSTONS COURT OFF GREAT BRITTAIN STREET on 29 May 1876
Name   MARIA FLANAGAN
Date of Birth   16 May 1876
Address   4 JOHNSTONS COURT OFF GREAT BRITTAIN STREET
Father   JOANNE FLANAGAN
Mother   MARIA POWER
Sponsor 1   BRIGITTA BEAHAN

There's also this John Flanagan & wife Maria-
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. JAMES
Marriage of JOANNES FLANAGAN of 20 BACK LANE and MARIA LYNG of 57 WATLING ST on 15 November 1868
Name   JOANNES FLANAGAN    MARIA LYNG
Address   20 BACK LANE    57 WATLING ST
Occupation   N/R    N/R
Father   GULIELMI FLANAGAN    CHRISTOPHERI LYNG
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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #25 on: Friday 08 March 19 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi aghadowey,

Thankyou for all your hard work, and with so many possillities.

Gary
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Flanagan - Waterford, Clonmel Co.Tipperary Ireland. Belfast N.Ireland.

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Re: Josephine Flanagan b.C1870-C1875 Dublin, Ireland.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 18 August 19 13:43 BST (UK) »
Here is another John Flanagan occ: Commercial Traveller

Father: John Flanagan (Living) Occ: Commercial Traveller

John Flanagan Occ: Painter
M: 08/01/1896 Saint Kevin's, Harrington St, Dublin.
Elizabeth Duffy Occ: Shop Assistant

Father: Thomas Duffy Occ: Pensioner🤔
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