Fraser's From Dores

[Forfarian]

Tomvoit was further south, near Lochgarthside. It no longer exists. See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=57.2495&lon=-4.4414&layers=5&right=BingHyb but if you went there, I think there might be some ruined walls still left.

This is Balnoe https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=57.2595&lon=-4.3833&layers=5&right=BingHyb - as you say, it has also disappeared.

Digression - One other bit of advice for visitors to Scotland. Do not even think about driving a car in Edinburgh. The one-way systems are incomprehensible, it's difficult to move, almost impossible to stop, and if you can find somewhere to park it will cost you an arm and a leg. There is an excellent bus service, and (except when it's raining hale-watter and you really, really need one) there are usually plenty of taxis.

[Forfarian]

Clune is less than a mile from the village of Dores https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.3856&lon=-4.3249&layers=5&b=1

Are you sure that the records you found say 'of Gorthleck' and 'of Clune' rather than 'in' or 'at'? Because in older documents, 'of' usually implies ownership of land. 'In' implies that the person normally lives in the named place, and 'at' implies that they are there only temporarily. (This is one of the reasons that FamilySearch has to be approached with caution, because it often uses 'of' when it guesses where a person came from.)

[nikitah]

thank you Farfarian, was just about to go up the apples and pears so I checked the original it doesn't really tell me anything just , Simon Fraser    " then what looks like a number badly written 12 Mary Fraser Gortlick 19 Dec 1803, the only reason I came across Clune was on closer inspection the Donald Fraser above Simon and Mary's, was followed by Clune and that is where the gap is for Simon so I assume that's " is ditto, hope you follow , Nikitah

[Marg59]

Forfarian, thanks for all that, I'm at my daughters at moment will investigate all the links when I have more than my phone.
nikitah, will also look into what you have said. It has really has sparked my interest. I'm visiting with one of my daughters and 4 grandchildren  we will have a car

[Forfarian]

nikitah, could you attach the image here so we can have a look at it? Not the whole page, but thje ones you are interested in and maybe the one or two above and below them?

[nikitah]

hi Forfarian, I really would love to, only ever time someone mentions doing just that I go into a cold sweat I haven't mastered that, I did practice only to make a right mess of it, I'm ok at sending attachments by email so not sure where I go wrong. Give me a few hours and I will try and pin my husband down then we might manage it between us. Nikitah

[Forfarian]

Thanks for the image, nikitah. I have cropped it and had a close look at it.

I don't think there are any grounds for thinking that Simon Fraser was necessarily from Clune. If you look at the fourth line, you'll see a flourishing 'Do' (meaning ditto) for the bride's surname. There is no 'Do' or even a quotation mark on the second line under Clune. I think the dot under the 'l' of Clune is just a blot or a mark on the page. Actually it looks to me as if the clerk had forgotten where Simon came from, and left a gap intending to fill it in later but never did.

I don't know what to make of what looks like the number 12  between the M of Margt and the M of Mary.

[nikitah]

Thank you for that Forfarion, that's what I thought the first time . I'm going to look at my other documents and see if the 12 or R appear on any of the others. many thanks , Nikitah.

[Marg59]

Hi nikitah,
Do you have a William Rose b approx 1861? According to the 1891 c Janet was living with a William Rose aged 30. Wondering if it was her nephew. On her death cert. 1892 in Daviot and Dunlichity it has an Alexander Fraser - nephew.