Cannot find BDM NSW record of death for Bridget Brown nee McGuggin OR McGuggan

[majm]

An earlier thread  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=718751.0

JM

[majm]

From that earlier thread :

Bridget's sister Mary Ann married George Pepper and BDM entries of births to this couple were in Newcastle region. There are two BDM death entries for Mary Pepper - one in Paddington in 1877 showing the age at death of 59 which does not fit. The other entry is for Goulburn but that does not fit geographically.

Is the George Henry PEPPER who in 1867 married Mary Ann MOXOY at Raymond Terrace connected to your Mary Ann ?       The NSW BDM online index has a number of births registered in the Newcastle/Raymond Terrace area from 1868 to 1879...  and likely they would be of that 1867 marriage...   

I have not found your Bridget's sister, Mary Ann (Mrs George PEPPER) ....    

JM

[majm]

I am confuddled,  you have ruled out the death in 1877 of Mary Ann PEPPER, of Paddington at age 59.   (birth year of around 1818) but you have Mary Ann arriving in 1832 on the Red Rover, at age 19 … (birth year of around 1813)  Do you have a copy of the official transcription or the actual d.c.?  Does it give the details of her marriage, and her children including perhaps Charlotte Mary Anna, whose marriage back in 1859 was registered in Paddington (#1113/1859) … likely she married Amos AVERY, who in the 1870s was a carter of 1 Mary Street, Surry Hills (ie within the Paddington BDM registration district)….   

If the only reason you found to rule that out was the age difference,  it is only a five year difference, and it is information given by the informant, which if either her son in law or her daughter may reflect what they ‘knew’ rather than her actual year of birth….  An adult person’s exact age was not a critical issue in that era…

Although the online index does NOT display the given names for that Mary Ann PEPPER’s parents,  it should give you ‘how long’ in the colony (of NSW) and the name of her spouse, and her maiden name and perhaps even her home townland…  So, likely it won’t lead directly to knowing the names and details for Bridget’s origins, it may well be a step closer to your goal, but it may well give you enough info to confirm that Mary Ann was likely to be Bridget’s sister …   (NSW BDM ref 2751/1877)  ... And it should give you the cemetery for Mary Ann, and oh ... which may well be where Bridget was interred .... and that cemetery's headstones may be transcribed and .... I must not get ahead of myself 

JM

[sparrett]

George Henry PEPPER died 1936 and his wife survived him
Obit
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141513464

Her name was Mary Ann

She died in 1938
PEPPER Mary Ann
22797/1938
RICHARD & MARY
MAYFIELD

She appears to be the sister of William MOXEY who died-
MOXEY William
8370/1918
RICHARD & MARY
RAYMOND TERRACE

JM has given you the marriage between Mary Ann  MOXEY and George PEPPER.

Here is a funeral notice for Mary Ann
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132848770

A tribute and picture for George Henry PEPPER
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/140499394


Sue

 

[sparrett]

Further obituary and notes on Mary Ann PEPPER, widow of Geo Henry PEPPER.
She was born in Devon

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/133275785

Sue

[sparrett]

So this is probably the marriage you are intending to list.

411/1835 V1835411 73A
PEPPER George
MCGUGGIN MaryA
JA

This man was possibly police constable at Goulburn in 1837
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2210537

The Mary Ann PEPPER who died in GOULBURN was of parents Henry and Susan 1885/6843

The ships list of Red Jacket EDIT Rover shows 2 different spellings of the surname.
Mary was to report to Mr BEA of George Street.
Bridget to Mr EVANS of Sydney.

Perhaps you have something to confirm the sisterhood of these 2 women.

[majm]

Charlotte M A EVERY's death is indexed with parents as Charles and Bridget, registered 1918 Balmain North.  (#5373).   The informant must have been a diligent keeper of family history ... for Charlotte was in her 85th year, and Bridget had been dead for 81 of those years... 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15787245 SMH 17 June 1918.

JM 

[majm]

........

What information do you already have re your Bridget who arrived per the Red Rover in 1832?   Here is a live link to ten pages of the passenger list for that voyage (10 August 1832)

http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5312&item=4_4822&ship=Red%20Rover

JM

I can see this is a different passenger list, but for the same voyage .... and there I can see that Bridget is recorded as aged 13.     I have read that the girls on that voyage were mostly from Limerick, and were drawn from the Orphans and Foundlings Hospital .... but I cannot find anything to support that notion.   Apparently there's a newspaper cutting from April 1832 from a Limerick Chronicle .... but I have not found it...

ADD,  page 9 of 10 

JM

[Tigers]

Thanks for the kind advice as it is much appreciated. After receiving advice from BDM about death records not occurring reliable before the 1850's I tried searching for the son of Bridget and Charles who died a month before Bridget. Strangely a search of every combination I could think of yielded no result but a search on Ancestry for him provided this ..
Name:    John S Brown
Death Date:    1837
Death Place:    New South Wales
Registration Year:    1837
Registration Place:    Sydney, New South Wales
Volume Number:    V18371899 21

I have tried to enter the record number every way I could think of and it does not accept it. Any ideas on exactly how the number should be input? It makes me think that if a search for this child is non productive then it may well be the same problem with Bridget.

Regards,
Paul