Author Topic: William THURMAN murder mystery at Ambergate, Derbyshire on the Cromford Canel  (Read 2419 times)

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Whilst researching my Thurman family history, I came across reports of a murder alongside the wharf at Bull Bridge, Ambergate, Derbyshire in 1875. The mystery is not the killer; it did not need Sherlock Holmes to work out who done it!
What I am trying to do is identify William’s family from Thurmaston, Leicestershire to trace it back to see if there is any connection to my branch of Thurman’s.

William Thurman was a Boatman (described as formally a shoemaker) on the Cromford & Butterley Canal and he struck up a friendship with another Boatman, James Walker, 23 years, who was working for a rival company on the same canel. William lent Walker 3/- and pawned his best suit to help his friend out. Walker, was unable to pay William back in time for the last day he could redeem his suit from the pawnbroker, so after a session at the local public house William went on Walker’s boat and said he was going to take the “Tommy” (provisions) from his cabin cupboard. At some point the shouting and a row grew louder and William was hit on the head three times with the boat rudder and he went into the canal. Later he was pulled out dead.

In December, 1875, this was reported in Midlands, London and even Scottish newspapers and William Thurman’s age was given as 24 years and 29 years in other newspapers.
I looked at census records for Thurmaston, Leicestershire. William was described in newspapers as  “formally a shoemaker from Thurmaston". I cannot identify any family called Thurman described as shoemakers in 1871 or 1861 census records. Given William’s age at death was reported as 24 & 29, I found no William matching age 24.

I found a William Thurman dob 1841, matching age 29 (in 1875) but many in this family were flat frame knitters (not shoemakers). The head of this Thurman household was a Joseph Thurman. Also, I cannot find a death registration for a William Thurman, born 1841 at Thurmaston.
December 11th, 1875 Walker’s trial gave the verdict “wilful murder”. Later the verdict changed from murder to manslaughter and James Walker, received 15 years hard labour. At some point in the trial the press reported that William’s father turned up requesting the court to allow him to visit William’s killer in his cell. His request was not granted, and his father was described in newspapers as follows:
“Thurman a poor man and a widower from Thurmaston”.
Unfortunately, William's father's Christian name(s) were not reported.
   
Any Roots members advice to identify this William Thurman’s family members would be appreciated.
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Re: WILLIAM THURMAN MURDER MYSTERY AT AMBERGATE, DERBYSHIRE ON THE CROMFORD CANEL
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 January 19 08:54 GMT (UK) »
FreeBMD have the death registered as William THURNMAN, Dec quarter of 1875, Belper 7b 351, age 24.

The index image matches.

With him being away from home, I doubt that the certificate would help with his origins.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: WILLIAM THURMAN MURDER MYSTERY AT AMBERGATE, DERBYSHIRE ON THE CROMFORD CANEL
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 January 19 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Andre,
I will take a look at this and his age 24 seems to be confirmed, although William Thurman born about 1851 did not show up on Thurmaston 1871 Census. I will look again in case I missed it.

Thanks Very Much for your information.
Andrew
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Re: WILLIAM THURMAN MURDER MYSTERY AT AMBERGATE, DERBYSHIRE ON THE CROMFORD CANEL
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 January 19 09:49 GMT (UK) »
The best fit I can find is the family of Joseph & Esther (written as Thurnman) at Back St Thurmaston in 1861 (RG9/2282 fol 121 pg 17).
Virtually the whole family are Stocking Weavers; all born Thurmaston.
William, aged 14 (which fits birth Q3 of 1846 Leicester 15 103) could have done an apprenticeship in the shoe trade and then been lured away by 1875.
Joseph is widowed and lodging in Loughborough in 1871; I have not narrowed down William yet. If he was already on the canals of course he could be anywhere.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: WILLIAM THURMAN MURDER MYSTERY AT AMBERGATE, DERBYSHIRE ON THE CROMFORD CANEL
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 January 19 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Andrew and I found the death record on the FreeBMD you mentioned after checking the phonetics spelling box and as you say it gives the Dec 1875 quarter as a recorded death in Belper area and his age 24 years.
On familysearch.org I found his burial record at Crich, Derbyshire on DEC 07, 1857 (age 25).

On familysearch.org I found 1861 Census showing Williiam age 14 years (so dob about 1847) making him 28 -29 at year of his death in 1875.
Father Joseph age 36 years and Mother Ester age 32 years seen in 1861 census.

Again on family search I found a birth certificate for a Joseph Thurman, born 1825 and at Thurmaston. This fits the age of Joseph (William's father) in the 1861 Census. and Joseph's father named Thomas Thurman (dob 1783) and Joseph's Mother named Susanna (nee Cooke).

These records and newspaper reports all switch between surname Thurnman and Thurman.

The newspaper reports I found reporting William Thurman's murder / manslaughter give his name as THURMAN but it was said in court that people he knew on the canal and on the canel bank, knew him as Thurmaston (presumably after the place he came from in Leicestershire).

I cannot find a marriage certificate for the marriage of Joseph Thurman and Ester.
BTW, I found 3 different newspaper reports in May 1857 about an Esther Thurman and she had charged her husband Joseph at Thurmaston with an assault and he was fined. (spelling variations again "THURMAN" and Esther with "h").
They were described in court as a "loving couple"!
I am guessing that William Thurman did not have a very happy home-life when he lived with his parents (no one knows now). William had 6 younger siblings in 1861 and I bet they depended on his wages for their support after he left home.

This is a sad tale but a very fascinating one at the same time and the William Thurman story would make a good novel or a TV play.

I can't connect this William Thurman's family to my direct family branch nor can I connect his father Thomas. I will try to see who were this Thomas Thurman's parents as I have a couple of trees with two different Thurman family branches going back to 1575.

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Re: William THURMAN murder mystery at Ambergate, Derbyshire on the Cromford Canel
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 January 19 22:39 GMT (UK) »
There's a marriage of a Joseph Thurman to Esther Fisher Q3 1846 Leicester
Not a church wedding on checking my Leics marriage info

GRO (Children 1851 Census)
THURMAN, ELIZABETH        FISHER      
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in LEICESTER 

THURLLMAN, MARY        FISHER      
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in BARROW UPON SOAR 

THURMAN, WILLIAM        FISHER      
GRO Reference: 1846  S Quarter in LEICESTER UNION  Volume 15  Page 103

THURLLMAN, JOHN        FISHER        
GRO Reference: 1849  D Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 15  Page 89

Same result for Henry and Sarah
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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: William THURMAN murder mystery at Ambergate, Derbyshire on the Cromford Canel
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 January 19 01:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank You Willsy,

I am 99.9% sure the marriage you found in 1846 is the William & Ester who were the parents of William Thurman, unlawfully killed on Bullbridge Wharf, Ambergate in 1875.

Your lead of the name FISHER, enabled me to find Ester Fisher's baptism at Thurmaston 04 MAY, 1828.
I also found 1841 Census (familysearch.org) showing address Back Street, Belgrave, Leicestershire.
Belgrave is 2 miles from Thurmaston where Josepth & Ester Thurnman lived qt time of 1861 census.
Coincidentally, Back Street was also the street name at Thurmaston address in 1861 as well as Ester's childhood home in Belgrave.

In 1841 Ester Fisher age is recorded as 12 years, her 2 parents and 8 siblings + Ester were recorded at this address in the parish of Belgrave.

My initial aim was to identify who the Murdered William Thurman's family was and this is done with help from you and another roots member andrewalston.
I still aim to see if there was any family relationship between William Thurman (murdered) and my family. If there is it will be from earlier generations. Some candidates I found as possible shared ancestors of William and father Joseph and me, lived in other parts of Leicestershire, where I have ancestors; Mountsorrel and Ratcliffe Culley are examples of these places.

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Re: William THURMAN murder mystery at Ambergate, Derbyshire on the Cromford Canel
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 January 19 12:18 GMT (UK) »
Got a few relatives in Thurmaston too!

Have not looked at waterways websites for a while but was helped on one to find my gggrandfather on the Cromford Canal in a permit book. Not an expert on this but maybe someone could point you in the right direction.



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Ward, Ossett, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: William THURMAN murder mystery at Ambergate, Derbyshire on the Cromford Canel
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 January 19 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Willsy,

I you sent a PM saying I did not find Joseph and Ester's Marriage record on FreeBMD or familysearch.org
I should have mentioned that I found a record of marriage for Esther Fisher in 3rd quarter of 1846. Bizarrely it does not give the groom's name.

I don't have any ancestors I know about from Thurmaston but I do have my 8X great grandfather buried in nearby Mountsorrel in 1680.

I attached a jpg file showing some places my ancestors have lived.

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