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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 January 19 15:05 GMT (UK) »
I did just find a baptism for a Christian Sinclair in 1810, to Angus Sinclair and Margaret MacKay in Reay, Caithness. IF this is her, it would probably have to mean she was maybe a few years old when baptised...

Indeed. Christiana was 45 in the 1851 census, suggesting that she was born in 1805/1806. I see that Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay had Elizabeth, baptised 1804; Angus, 1805; Catherine, 1807; Christian, 1810, Alexander, 1811; Donald, 1812; Barbara, 1816; James, 1820, Elizabeth, 1823; Aeneasina, 1825; so they seem to have been pretty regular in having their family baptised as they came along. Therefore I think it is unlikely that your Christiana was the daughter of Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay.

But in the (IMO unlikely) event that she was the daughter of this couple, why is there no Angus among her sons and no Margaret among her daughters?


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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 January 19 17:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, I was trying to guesstimate if perhaps she was with child which would explain why she married young.

Don

The marriage certainly fits - It was in June 1826, first daughter Christiana born ten months later.
John Campbell who marries Christina Sinclair in South Leith in 1826 gives occupation as joiner.
My John Campbell gives occupation as joiner when his first daughter Christiana is born in April 1827.

But the marriage says Christina's father was Angus, the baptism for a Christian Sinclair in 1810, to Angus Sinclair and Margaret MacKay in Reay, Caithness, means that if she was born in 1810, she'd have been about sixteen at marriage, and about seventeen at first childbirth, as Forfarian points out below.

But on the census entries, she gives her age as:
1851: 45 years old (born circa 1806)
1871: 66 years old (born circa 1805)


Indeed. Christiana was 45 in the 1851 census, suggesting that she was born in 1805/1806. I see that Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay had Elizabeth, baptised 1804; Angus, 1805; Catherine, 1807; Christian, 1810, Alexander, 1811; Donald, 1812; Barbara, 1816; James, 1820, Elizabeth, 1823; Aeneasina, 1825; so they seem to have been pretty regular in having their family baptised as they came along. Therefore I think it is unlikely that your Christiana was the daughter of Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay.

But in the (IMO unlikely) event that she was the daughter of this couple, why is there no Angus among her sons and no Margaret among her daughters?


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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 January 19 19:19 GMT (UK) »
Forfarian,

I concur, the naming pattern does not match perfectly.  I thought about this, but she has no sibling named Margaret or Angus either.

And yes it is possible this might not be the correct family.  There could be another unrecorded Angus out there who was a shoemaker with his wife and children who match perfectly or simply members of another church. 

I have always said the definitive proof lays in their death.  Do the English records post 1851 not include parentage?

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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 January 19 19:29 GMT (UK) »
Sadly not, Don  :-\

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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 January 19 22:49 GMT (UK) »
I have always said the definitive proof lays in their death.  Do the English records post 1851 not include parentage?
English death certificates don't even give the name of the spouse unless the spouse is the informant, let alone the names of the deceased's parents.

It's a bit of a long shot, but I wonder whether there might be a gravestone or burial record of an Angus Sinclair, shoemaker, in Caithness some time between 1800 and 1826? You could try Caithness Family History Society http://caithnessfhs.org.uk/
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Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 February 19 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, sorry for not replying sooner.

Thanks once again for the information, ideas, and advice.

Doesn't look to be very straightforward, but I'll continue to try and look into it!

Thank you.
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