Informants name

[Airdriehunter]

thanks everyone, I got confused as baby was born at a different address to the one that was used by the informants signature and in this case mother. I'll have to send if fir the marriage cert.

[Airdriehunter]

thanks Shanreagh, those names are not familiar at all but i have no idea of his past until I get the marriage cert.  I do know that there are connnections with New Zealand.

[avm228]

What was the birth address?  Not all mothers gave birth at home; some went to their own mother, especially for a first birth, or to an infirmary.

[Airdriehunter]

Hard to understand, but I think it says T.O.A.M, 21 hooley range, UD. Sub district is Heaton Norris, Stockport

[shanreagh]

Hard to understand, but I think it says T.O.A.M, 21 hooley range, UD. Sub district is Heaton Norris, Stockport

Don't know what the TOAM is but 21 Hooley Range still exists as a large 5 bedroom house.  Elizabeth Howard was born 1928.

Other Stockport births with a mother with a maiden name of Moller are
Kathleen B Howard birth registered 1920
Joan Howard birth registered 1928

Perhaps Elizabeth was a twin or an 'Irish twin' ie born same year as an earlier child.   

[avm228]

Elizabeth’s birth is registered together with Joan’s (same vol & page no) suggesting they were twins.  If she was a twin her time of birth, as well as the date, should appear on the certificate.

It looks as though there were probably some premarital children too; also (away from their usual area) Gilbert F in Fulham in 1922, consistent with electoral rolls showing the couple living there at the time.

[avm228]

Gladys Mary Moller (b 1889) and her sister Bessie Gertrude Moller (b 1890) had spent some time in Australia, sailing from London to Fremantle in 1912, and Adelaide to Sydney in 1913.  I wonder whether she met Herbert on her travels?

[shanreagh]

That is a possibility ...Gladys and Herbert may have come out to NZ in 1954.  On a NZ departure (30/7/1954 on Port Philip) record on FS Herbert is shown as Man. director which ties in with being a Blouse manufacturer. On the emigration record  (arrival in Wellington on Ruahine) he is shown as Director and is accompanied  by Gladys Howard
a single female Dorothy Forster Howard aged 31 school teacher
and a married female Grace Howard aged  35 housewife

From my own knowledge several of my own family who were schoolteachers came from UK to teach here.....I think there was a scheme to encourage people over.  One of my female relatives stayed for about 4 years being placed throughout NZ and came back a couple of times later to teach. 

Wildcard but a Grace Howard born 9/9/1918 dies in NZ
2015/24628   Howard   Grace May    DoB 9 September 1918
Maiden name Gordon and buried in Lower Hutt near Wellington NZ

[avm228]

Herbert and Gladys do not seem to have stayed in NZ very long - they left London for Wellington on 22 January 1954 and arrived back in London on 8 September 1954.  Home address 187 Buxton Rd, Stockport, Cheshire.  Their intended future residence was England in both documents, so it looks as though it was just a holiday.

The other Howard on the outbound passenger list - Grace - was from Ilford in Essex, future permanent residence NZ.  She travelled on a separate ticket and there is no indication that she was connected to Herbert and Gladys.  I don’t see the Dorothy Forster Howard referred to?