William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?

[jonwarrn]

Hi
It certainly is extraordinarily difficult to pin this man down.
I get the impression that the family might have stayed in the Majorca/Maryborough area, but I can see that Ararat is not too far away.

Having said that, the 1887 death looks somewhat iffy in the light of the probate stuff, and from what Thommo said was on the death certificate.
There was a Joseph Mason of similar age in Maryborough, apparently a farmer, and there are a few online trees that have him and his family, he seems to be the chap who died there in 1890. But he doesn't really look like the man in the hospital records?
Could Thommo ever get to see those records, I wonder.

The other thing that has passed through my head a few times is that just possibly Mary Ann born 1858 might not have been the daughter of Joseph, and that her mother Sarah named him as such for propriety's sake. But as I really have no idea, I don't want to open up a can of worms about that!
John

[jonwarrn]

Mason then migrated to Australia (am yet to trace that bit) but he married the widow Elizabeth Watts (nee Lowe) in July 1867 in Victoria...she was born in Ireland - I have that Marriage certificate also.

On it he stated he was a widower and that his first wife died Dec 1854, they had one child but that child was deceased.

If he lied about his wife being dead, then he could just as easily have lied about his child being dead as well.
So, much more likely than not, he was around in England circa 1858, but I suppose he could have sailed to Australia a few times.
Maybe he just had a fixation about the year 1854!

[JenB]

The other thing that has passed through my head a few times is that just possibly Mary Ann born 1858 might not have been the daughter of Joseph, and that her mother Sarah named him as such for propriety's sake. But as I really have no idea, I don't want to open up a can of worms about that!

Tell you what..... I was thinking exactly the same thing 

[jonwarrn]

We really do have to keep an open mind, I guess.
If Thommo fancies getting Mary's birth certificate, or rather the pdf (only £6, soon to be £7!), it would be a good idea in any case. Being one of the few bits of evidence about him that there seems to be.

Jen, thanks for your thoughts on the admission record.
He may not have been the only Joseph Mason who headed to Majorca at that time....so complicated, why does that one have to be the right sort of age and married!
The Andromache and 14 years would be a problem, though we must remember that only the previous year Joseph had told a few fibs when he got married 
John

EDIT!
For Thommo
Whitfords in those hospital admissions
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSFB-M9KW-Y?i=336&cat=538121

[ThommoS]

I'll put this over several post to be more succinct of replying direct to individual posts...

Firstly RTL your reply 93.....That Thomas Blakey I believe, may be Thomas Kell Blakey, Sarah's brother who was born in Tynemouth on 26 July 1841.

That information (and I have not verified this line at all) came from a Blakey Family Tree posted online some years back on genealogy.com - I must stress, I have not tested the accuracy of it and I would add that as with most posts the birth date given is usually a christening or baptismal date, not the actual DOB...

[ThommoS]

jonw65 - replies 97 and 98

There is reference to a Will having been made by Joseph Mason died 14 Mar 1887 a Gatekeeper from Ararat in the Victorian Probate Citations as:
VPRS 7591/ P2  unit 124,  item 34/546 - it is not available online (to me at least and I cannot access Family Search either) but had been dealt with together with the probate for the deceased on 19 July 1887. A check of the Public Records Office of Victoria will take you to that information :

Not sure of protocols in posting a link but here it is for you - mod pls delete if not allowed tks???

 https://prov.vic.gov.au//explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates

Equally the family I am researching for have always stated the link with Victorian railways as it was believed Mason lived in Ararat in housing provided through his employment.

Not sure where this James Marshall from Yea you mention comes into it at all?

[ThommoS]

Thomas Watts......

Watts married Elizabeth Lowe in Adelaide SA on the 5th Aug 1850 according to SA Marriage Indexes Volume 4, Page 129....I have not checked prior that date but later they moved to Victoria - assumed chasing gold....he worked for a company (not known whether he was an employee or owner) but he was killed in a mining accident at 8am on Wednesday 26 May 1865 - evidently he was standing on a bearer in the main shaft of the Rising Sun Mine at the Majorca Lead shaft when it broke causing him to fall 120' to his death...Medical reports as posted in several newspapers of the time, stated he suffered a crushed skull either from the fall or timbers falling on him - but death was instantaneous.

He left a widow and 2 children - Watts and Lowe had a total of 6 children, 4 were deceased prior him.....his widow then went on to marry Joseph Mason in 1867.....they only had the 2 children (have my doubts as to the father of Mary though) Mary and Adelaide.

[ThommoS]

John, your post 108

There is reference to a Joseph Mason died 1890 - occupation farmer of Cuddys Flat which is near Maryborough....age was about right but unfortunately this bloke was born in Adelaide, fathers name John and mother Ellen Girk - could be Kirk - his father John was also a farmer and believed he passed the farm down to his son John

John died there on 2 April 1890 from stomach carcinoma - unfortunately not ours Joseph Mason

Thank you for the Whitford connection....I have that line sorted () as much as I intend at this stage, preferring to concentrate on the Mason lineage....but as mentioned cannot access ancestry which means unfortunately cannot open the hospital links etc you provided...thanks all the same

[JenB]

There is reference to a Will having been made by Joseph Mason died 14 Mar 1887 a Gatekeeper from Ararat in the Victorian Probate Citations as:
VPRS 7591/ P2  unit 124,  item 34/546 - it is not available online (to me at least and I cannot access Family Search either) but had been dealt with together with the probate for the deceased on 19 July 1887. A check of the Public Records Office of Victoria will take you to that information :

Hi Thommo, greetings from snowy Northumberland 

I'm a bit confused by what you say, because in #98 John demonstrated that the will is available online (I have looked at it).

Why is it you cannot access Family Search? Does this mean you have not seen any of the Family Search links we have posted throughout this thread?