William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?

[JenB]

There are so many postings on this thread now that I've taken the liberty of doing a summary of the various relevant facts in chronological order. Please correct me if I've omitted any relevant fact or made any errors.

24th July 1854, Sarah Jane Blakey, a minor, father Thomas a butcher, married Joseph William King Mason, a mariner, father William a grocer, Christ Church North Shields.

20th June 1858,  daughter Mary Ann Kell Mason born (date from baptism record). Birth registration (3rd q. 1858) shows mother’s maiden surname was Blakey.

8th August 1860 Mary Ann Mason baptised at St Hilda’s South Shields. Parents Sarah Jane and Joseph, a mariner.

(I haven’t found any other Mason/Blakey births between 1854 and 1864)

1861 census:
Mary Ann Kell with her grandmother Mary Ann Lough (nee Kell)  and uncle Ebenezer Blakey in North Shields.
Sarah Mason is a house servant in North Shields.

24 July 1865 Sarah Jane Blakey, aged 24, spinster, father Thomas a butcher, married George Scrimshaw aged 22 at Christ Church North Shields.

July 1867, William Joseph Mason married Elizabeth Watts in Victoria Australia. He stated that he was a widower, aged 33, born in North Shields. That he had married in North Shields in 1854, that his first wife died in 1854, that they had had one child who was deceased. His occupation was a miner. His father, William Mason was a Sea Captain, and and his mother was Mary King.

1867, 3rd q. death of Mary Ann Lough Mason, Tynemouth RD. Burial record, 1st October 1867, shows that she was the daughter of Joseph Mason, mariner.

1871 census
George Scrimshaw,  aged 26 and Sarah J., aged 29 and born North Shields are living in West Hartlepool.

Other bits & pieces: we haven’t found suitable baptism of a Joseph (William King) Mason in Tynemouth. We haven’t found a suitable marriage of a William Mason and a Mary King in Northumberland. We haven’t found any family unit on the 1841 or 1851 censuses that match.

There is a marriage of a William Mason and a Mary King in Dublin in 1827 (reply #62), and the birth of a Joseph possibly to this couple in 1830.

A Joseph Mason, a Dublin-born mariner, 1830, was sailing out of Shields in the early-mid 1850’s

[polarbear]

Great summary, JenB.

The fact that there are no more apparent children after Mary Ann suggests to me that Joseph and Sarah may have parted company before or around the time of Mary Ann's birth (suggests b/c there was always the possibility of miscarriages or stillbirths). So I was wondering about Sarah having Joseph declared deceased after 7 years (Someone may correct me but I think that was the legal time?), if in fact he did disappear, in order to marry again? This should give her a legal marriage, then?

But then, Sarah did marry as a spinster rather than a widow.

Joseph would not necessarily have been present at Mary Ann's baptism. He must have lied about her death, as he did Sarah's, b/c she appears to have died after his 2nd marriage took place.

Anyway, food for thought.

PB

[rosie99]

It would be good to know if Thommo has anything to add to Jen's summary 

Also,

JenB - re your post 70.

The Victorian Marriage Certificate has a separate column headed Birthplace....in that box corresponding to Joseph's entry, it states "N Shields, Northumberland' as his POB - it appears the same hand as the Presbyterian Minister Rvd. Cutcham () who married them. One would assume the Minister asked him where he was born.........along with his current marital status haha

Can you clarify please? What other sources do you have?
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[River Tyne Lass]

Yes, I agree it would be good to know if there is anything else to add.  That was a great idea of Jen's to put everything into one post for easy reference.

[River Tyne Lass]

Hi jonw65,

Re: post 76.  I have now managed to get back to the library and have asked and received permission to take yet another photo of the signature - this time from the old style format.  It is a bit faint - but hopefully will show more evidence of Joseph's signature.  I will also be posting a couple of separate close ups.  I don't know if this might help - but it might. 

Great that you thought of this Jon  - wish I had thought of this myself.

[River Tyne Lass]

First two names closer up (hopefully) ..

[River Tyne Lass]

Second two names ..

By the way, if at some point it emerges that the couple may have had siblings who married at Tynemouth and if Joseph may have been a witness .. potentially there may be even more evidence of signature.

ThommoS, this is a very interesting thread which has been attracting a lot of interest.

Hopefully, you will return soon after perusing all your document evidence and will let us know if there is or there is not more documentary evidence besides the Victoria marriage certificate to support the idea that Joseph may have been born in North Shields.  This really might be of help to those of us who would like to help you.   

[rosie99]

Just playing with the images - they look to me as though they are both written by the same person, the clergy.  Any thoughts 

[jonwarrn]

Hi
RTL, I am amazed that you looked that up. Your willingness to help people on Rootschat with look ups is quite wonderful, and much appreciated by all those who follow the threads on here.

Just playing with the images - they look to me as though they are both written by the same person, the clergy.  Any thoughts 

Oh! I hope not!
I have seen old marriage registers run on past 1837, with original signatures. I have on occasion called the wrong register up myself!
To do it even into the 1860's, no not that late before. Perhaps they didn't ask the parties to sign it
John