William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?

[rosie99]

Mad idea, sorry!

Your ideas are not normally mad John   

For what it's worth I think it looks promising 

[jonwarrn]

There are some things for it, some against. Religion may not tie in.
Of course it wont be the right Joseph if it is the son of William and Mary who died in 1867.

JWK Mason is pretty elusive. If he was a mariner, and maybe that apprentice in the newspaper, you would think that he might feature in the records somewhere.
John

[JenB]

Mad idea, sorry!
Is there any possibility that he may have been Irish?
There is a marriage at St Andrew Dublin, 30 November 1827 (not 30 January as stated on FindMyPast and ancestry!)
Gulielmum Mason + Mariannam King
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633482#page/65/mode/1up

I don’t think it’s mad at all!

I had found the mariner Joseph Mason you refer to yesterday, to but hadn’t made the interesting link back to parents called William and Mary King.

It’s certainly worth thinking about

[River Tyne Lass]

This is getting to be quite a long thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned but a William Mason married a Mary King - St Nicholas, Yarmouth 27 March 1798.  Perhaps Joseph could have been a late born son.  I think he might have been born anywhere.

Added: No forget that, no sign of any such son to them.

[ThommoS]

RTL - thank you for your post 61 re burial of Mary Ann Lough Mason......

That's interesting....some years back JenB found a Christening for a Mary Ann Kell Mason b. registered 3rd Quarter 1858 - Tynemouth 10b. 113...Mothers maiden name Blakey ---- looks like this is a separate child then....the widow Mary Blakey (nee Kell) married John Lough 26 Jan 1851 at St Hilda's South Shields (sourced from England Select marriages)

so wondering if the burial you found are two separate children - doubtful.... but who knows? Thanks for that - will add to the ever grown database on them 

[ThommoS]

Thanks jonw65....

I think given all the info Joseph Mason has supplied he clearly states he was born in Northumberland - he's never shied from that...I think the religion factor also comes into play against your suggestion...I am of the belief that his first Marriage registration is the 'more truthful' whatever that means    so far most of those details have been found correct - especially his bride's family.

Early on I did look extensively at the Sea captain link as he calls his father on the second marriage.....found numerous that fit the bill both living and renting premises locally but there was the problem of linking with William and Mary, his parents....from the census info - when I had access to it.

The more recent info to me  (being his first marriage) caused me to change course and try find any grocers on that census - if so working from that.....

As I previously mentioned I am endeavouring to access more 'official' documents on a Joseph Mason in Victoria...it may not be the correct Joseph, a long shot but worth a try to help sort this out.

RTL...... the birth you suggested is getting a bit long but who knows.....? in my earlier research of the UK Master and Mates Registrations and census I found a William Mason, master, born Tynemouth 11 Apr 1803 and also a reference from Customs House Masters Newcastle Upon Tyne on 22 Jul 1851 showing him at 48.... that chap died Jan 1872....... now given that research was all based on William being a Sea Captain - it's now a moot point - but does go to show there are many possibilities for Sea Captains - just a pity the Grocers did not have a registered Guild similar - would have been easier to find William then

[JenB]

RTL - thank you for your post 61 re burial of Mary Ann Lough Mason......

That's interesting....some years back JenB found a Christening for a Mary Ann Kell Mason b. registered 3rd Quarter 1858 - Tynemouth 10b. 113...Mothers maiden name Blakey ---- looks like this is a separate child then....the widow Mary Blakey (nee Kell) married John Lough 26 Jan 1851 at St Hilda's South Shields (sourced from England Select marriages)

so wondering if the burial you found are two separate children - doubtful.... but who knows? Thanks for that - will add to the ever grown database on them 

Thommo, I am happy to be proved wrong, but personally I think this is the same child. Mary Ann Kell Mason was born in 1858. Mother's maiden name Blakey, so she is surely the child of Joseph and Sarah Jane.


The child buried as Mary Ann Lough Mason (said on the burial register to be the child of Joseph Mason) is nine years old, i.e. born 1858. The address was Middle Street, which was immediately adjacent to North Street, where the child had been living in 1861.

I can find no sign of Mary Ann in the 1871 census.

It would be interesting to see who registered the death? It's intriguing that although it seems that Joseph was apparently now in Australia and Sarah had re-married, the child was specifically referred to in the burial register as Joseph's daughter.

[JenB]

I think given all the info Joseph Mason has supplied he clearly states he was born in Northumberland - he's never shied from that...

I think I'm right in saying that the only mention you've made of his birth in Northumberland is his second marriage certificate (sorry if I'm wrong)? What other information do you have that back this up?

Personally unless I can see incontrovertible evidence that someone was born in a certain place I always try to keep an open mind. There have been many examples here on Rootschat of people saying they were born somewhere, when they were born somewhere else! 

By the way, the Dublin-born Joseph Mason mentioned by John yesterday was sailing out of North Shields in 1853 and 1854.

[River Tyne Lass]

I have thought of something I could look into but this might come to nothing so don't build hopes up too much.

When I was at Newcastle library a little while back I saw a volume of 'stray' marriages.  I am not 100% certain but I think these were for Christ Church.  I can't remember what date range is covered. 

I am now on a run of nightshifts and am travelling home on the bus but when I can next get to the Newcastle library I will check out the volume and see if William and Mary might be in.

I believe stray marriages are when one of both partners are from another parish.  I wonder if such marriages may have been kept separate from the ordinary parish ones?

ThommoS this is just to let you know that we might still have hope of locating Joseph's parents.  I think it is at least worth a try. 

Or if anyone else can get there before I can - I saw this volume on the bookshelves where the memorial inscriptions volumes are kept in the local studies department.