William MASON wed Mary KING circa 1833 in Tynemouth?

[JenB]

Here is a link to the signatures posting
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=807077.msg6660871

Thommo, I think that you have been misled by the 1854 certificate. It is clear from the snip you've posted that, as Gadget has observed on that thread, this is a handwritten copy. The handwriting on the snip you've posted is all the same. Therefore, sadly, there is no valid comparison to be made between these two certificates, it's coincidence that the writing is so similar. The only way to make a comparison would be, to take up RTL's offer for her to take a look at the original 1854 marriage record on microfilm at North Shields library.

 

[River Tyne Lass]

I am at the library and will try to locate the earlier marriage and check the original signature.  Will be posting again soon.

[rosie99]

I am at the library and will try to locate the earlier marriage and check the original signature.  Will be posting again soon.

Are you able to get a picture of it please    

Rosie

[JenB]

I am at the library

My goodness, you move like greased lightening! Are you at Newcastle Library or North Shields?

[River Tyne Lass]

Yes, I have just asked for permission at the local studies and have been told I  take a photo of that small part and post.  Give me ten minutes or so as I am writing this on my Kindle and will need to transfer to a computer to post.  Back soon.

Added: I do move like greased lightning sometimes - it would be good to get to the bottom of this one.  I am at North Shields library Jen.

[ThommoS]

Take 2......

Must be the 40+c heat in Victoria causing all these pooter at moment...will try typing again. yes, I read through the Q and A to this forum and found that out after I posted....I thought as much but am grateful there is still an option to upload available given some of the bandwidth requirements

Thank you all for your help and suggestions.....I certainly don't want people to go out of their way for this....

You may be correct with the handwritten certificates but to me, there's a striking resemblance on the cursive script for the 'M' and the 's' in Mason....similarly with the 'J'....then again it may be that's the way students were taught quill and ink in those days....I am in the process of trying to obtain other written resources from JWKM (hopefully it's he?) at the Victorian Registries to check his writing but this week their on-line systems have been off line...no estimate of when they will return...no doubt their AC system cannot handle the heat haha

Once again, I really do appreciate all the help and assistance you all provide - it has opened up other avenues I could not have explored prior and hopefully it will lead us onto his parents and any other family.

Makes you wonder what we will find on his parents given his history so far 

[Gadget]

The signature of the original that RTL has now posted on the other thread looks the same as the entry in the details column. Sarah's signature, next to her marke is in a different hand 

add - had another look - it is difficult as we're really needing the 3 signatures together. There are slight differetces 

[River Tyne Lass]

Hi ThommoS,

Just to add to your records, I have discovered the daughter Mary Ann Lough Mason was buried at Preston Cemetery in North Shields

Entry: 2277
'daughter of Joseph Mason, Mariner
Nine years
Death occurred: Middle Street
Burial: Twenty First October 1867
Ceremony by: James Elphinstone, Town Missionary
Buried Unconsecrated Ground: 4562
Township of North Shields'

[jonwarrn]

Mad idea, sorry!
Is there any possibility that he may have been Irish?
There is a marriage at St Andrew Dublin, 30 November 1827 (not 30 January as stated on FindMyPast and ancestry!)
Gulielmum Mason + Mariannam King
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633482#page/65/mode/1up

No idea if Mr Mason was a grocer!

A baptism at same place, 21 May 1830
Josephum Mason
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633483#page/236/mode/1up

There are a few entries in the records of merchant seamen in BT113 for Joseph Mason born Dublin.
Joseph Mason, born 10 Feb 1830
Apprentice
First went to sea as a boy in 1845
resides Dublin
ticket issued at Dublin, 12 January 1847

also
Joseph Mason, born Dublin 16 Feb(?) 1832
went to sea as an apprentice in 1848
resides at Dublin
ticket issued at Shields, poss says 25 Nov 1848

Both of those had grey eyes!

EDIT
There is a death of a Joseph Mason in Dublin North in 1867, age 37