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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #27 on: Monday 02 September 19 11:53 BST (UK) »
You mentioned a genealogical DNA test earlier in the thread.  Did it identify a significant proportion of Iberian?  Have you found any DNA relatives (beyond close relatives) sharing the Iberian strand?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 17 October 19 11:11 BST (UK) »
Hello. I found this thread by googling ‘Spanish in Holmfirth history’ as I have similar mysterious Spanish names cropping up in my family tree. My great, great grandmother had siblings called German (pronounced Herman I believe) and Reyia, both of which have Spanish origins. They were born in 1851 and 1847 respectively, so not that long before your Hosetta. I haven’t found any indications of any further ‘spanishness’ of their parents, and their other six siblings have pretty normal names for the time. Interestingly, my grandmother on this line had very dark hair, dark eyes and skin, unlike the rest of the family, and my mother used to say ‘definitely some Romany in there’, although with nothing to back this up.

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 17 October 19 11:59 BST (UK) »
Dacrepast - welcome.

Are you referring to the Battye family of Upperthong?

The relevant children seem to have been:

Kezia (not Reyia) Battye, mother’s maiden name Beardsell, Mar qtr 1846 Huddersfield
German Battye, mother’s maiden name Beardsell, Jun qtr 1850 Huddersfield

Parents were Elijah & Elizabeth, both Yorkshire-born. I can’t see anything that suggests Spanish heritage.

Kezia is a Biblical name - I see that it is mistranscribed as Reyia in 1861, but appears as Kezia or variant spellings in all other censuses for her.

Kezia Battye married Ebenezer Coldwell, 10 May 1868 at Upperthong.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 17 October 19 12:29 BST (UK) »
Ah, interesting, I had Keziah and Reyia down as different people; I had not picked up on it being a mistranscription. German is a Spanish origin name from what I can gather though - surprisingly enough!


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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 17 October 19 12:50 BST (UK) »
There are quite a lot of ‘German’ first names in Yorkshire (and elsewhere) if you look at births/censuses.
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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 17 October 19 12:51 BST (UK) »
The related Spanish name is Germán (with the emphasis on the second syllable) but German was known and used across Europe, including especially the Slavic countries. Although never hugely common in the UK you will see that it has had moderate use here - just type it into FreeBMD as a first name, without specifying a surname, and you will get a sense of that.

There are various saints named St Germanus who will no doubt have inspired some of the usage.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 17 October 19 13:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the info. I’d not come across its use as a first name before. How interesting. So probably no Spanish genes after all then!

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 17 October 19 14:47 BST (UK) »
Maybe no Spanish, but in family history there are bound to be some interesting things to discover - hope you'll stick around on Rootschat now you've found us :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 17 October 19 15:08 BST (UK) »
I will do, thank you!