Completed thanks

[flocklet]

Hello Hatter,
Thanks for your post. Unfortunately I don't think your wife's relatives are related to mine. I have Francis Wenlock HOLTON marrying a Sophia CHANDLER. by banns 9th Sep, 1823 in Lambeth.All their children were given the middle name of WENLOCK. I just recently found a Richard Wenlock HOLTON death in Holy Trinity in Chelsea in 1806, he was married to a Frances FARRAND.This could be Francis's father?
The plot carries on !
Kind Wishes
Stella 

[Novak20]

Stella,

I found another record that might be interesting.

In Perry's Bankrupt and Insolvent Gazette:

assignment of Francis Wenlock Holton from 19 April 1836.

HOLTON Wenlock Francis (April 4) of Brixton Hill, general shopkeeper -- Trustees, Richard Carter, of Goswell St, cheesemonger, and William Cornell of High St, Southwark, grocer -- sol. Loughborough, Saint Thomas's St.


An assignment when a person is insolvent and assigns their property to trustees.

best,
Mike

[flocklet]

Mike,
You're amazing   
How do I find this information please?This Brixton area seems to be the base for my fellow Francis. I then went & had a partnership with a Ferdinand Thomas, who I've found nothing on. Seems he was a game bloke though, to go insolvent (is that bankrupt?) then start again.
Looking forward to hearing from you. I wish I could find something of interest for you though 
Thanks, Stella

[casalguidi]

I don't know if you have this or whether it is relevant ................

1851

15 St Bride St, Liverpool

Ferdinand THOMAS head mar 64 proprietor of houses b.Exmouth Devon
Rosetta wife 40 b.Walworth Kent (it should be Surrey)
Eliza PALMER 4 visitor b.Stafford

HO107/2182 folio 316 page 12
...................

From "The Times" ................... Ferdinand Thomas Esq. died at 16 Noel Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham (late of London) 16 March 1859 in his 73rd year.

Casalguidi

[flocklet]

Casalguidi,
No I did'nt have this information. Any help is much appreciated, maybe this explains why I have never been able to find old Ferdinand, as London is quite a way to Birmingham. I wonder where these 2 met, to be going into business for a short while? The plot thickens lovely. Thank you ever so much, I'll ponder this new information.
Stella 

[Novak20]

Hi Stella,

I'm not absolutely certain where assignment records are located, but I expect they are held with bankruptcy records which are at the National Archives. If you go here:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp

and go down to 'bankrupts and insolvent debtors 1710-1869', that should give more info. My own experience of bankrupt records is that they are very patchy: in many cases there is little of much real interest, in others there is a full case file. (having said that, I was looking at C18 bankrupts, and I expect records get better the later you get later)

Mike

[Novak20]

I've done a bit more searching and found another item in Perry's Bankrupt & Insolvent Gazette.

25 Feb 1831
Dissolution of partnerships:

SCOTT Adam & Francis Wenlock Holton, of Brixton-hill, grocers, & c. 31st Jan -- Debts, &c. by F. W. Holton

Also notable, is 1848
Dissolution of partnerships:
SCOTT Adam and John THORPE, grocers, 72 Bishopsgate St, within, 3rd Jan Debts by A. Scott.

It seems Adam Scott was not an ideal business partner!


Incidentally, do you know who Francis' parents were, or where he was living before Brixton? If not, I have a suggestion ...

Mike

[flocklet]

Mike,
That's brilliant! I'll look through the National Archives, (I've got to go to work today, what a pain!!). Maybe Mr Scott was like our Christopher Skase!! I havae nothing of Francis's birth. I'm still trawling though London's church Registers, I'll be there for a couple of years I reacon, unless some other info comes to light. He married in St.Mary's Lambeth, baptised children there, (checked there, church too young) Mfoved then to Brixton, Merton, then Brixton. The Sun Insurance papers (thanks Mike) state he was in Brixton 1831, then in 1841 just before he dies he is in Piccadilly! A few weeks  ago I found a Richaard Wenlock Holton death aged 56 in 1806 in Holy Trinity in Clapham. Hav'nt any more on him yet.
Thanks ever so much Mike for your idea's & help.Appreciate it heaps.
Stella

[Novak20]

Hi,

Well my suggestion is this.

When I was looking through some trade directories, I didn't spot Francis Holton, but I did find in the 1790:

George Holton, grocer and tea dealer, 143 Holborn Hill

and in Kent's Directory 1769:

Wade Holton, 36 Holborn

Kent's 1763 and 1759:

Wade Holton, grocer, Fetter Lane, near Holborn

I should add that these are the ONLY traders called Holton in these directories.


I have no idea if they are related, but I see on the National Archives site there is a PCC will for George Holton, grocer and tea dealer. It might be worth taking a look at this.

best,
Mike