Dating help for Bowen and Arnold family from South Wales

[NicoleO]

My aunt found these family portraits in her grandmother's belongings when she passed away years ago. We believe the man and the lady in the hat are either her parents or grandparents.
We are either looking at:
James Bowen (1856-1923) who was a watchman at the docks later in life, and his wife
Annie M Morse (1854-1896) both from Pembrokeshire.
Or
James Bowen (1820-1870) a master mariner from St David's, and his wife
Ann Davies (1826-?)
The damaged portrait we believe to be my great grandfather's mother. Her name was Mary Jane Arnold (nee Rees) (1872-1931) from Swansea.
Any help with dating these portraits would be greatly appreciated.

[McGroger]

My dating guesses aren't good enough in isolation - they may be misleading - but bumping it up the board might get it noticed by the experts.
Peter

[NicoleO]

I appreciate that, thanks

[jim1]

The 2 of the women are over-sketched enlargements which often make them difficult to date. However I would suggest the 1st. is 1880's & 2nd. is Edwardian. Possibly the same women about 20 years apart.

[NicoleO]

Thank you Jim1, now that you mention it there is a similarity,  particularly around the mouth. Could 1896 be considered Edwardian-ish, maybe done just before she died?

[jim1]

Afraid not. Although there's not much to see the panelled & pleated bodice was an Edwardian style.

[NicoleO]

Might have to rethink the identity then. Thank you

[James Henton]

If there are photographer's details on the photos, either on front and back, they will usually give location. And there are databases of which Welsh Victorian photographers operated and their rough period of operation. I have found these little details useful sometimes.