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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 30 October 21 12:11 BST (UK) »
I never thought of putting in just 'Aust'. I'm almost finished with putting in the full variations. Doh.
As her son registered the death and was obviously aware of her use of an alias, I can't imagine he'd give her another one? But it could have come about by mistake in spelling.
Does the law cover naming of a deceased? Could she have been buried under her alias or a derivation of her alias? Would the cemetery have to use the name on the death cert? There are still so many possibilities but at least you've saved me a trip to Harehills.....for the time being. In today's weather that would have been quite miserable.
Anyway, thanks again Arthur. I'll post any updates.
Regards, David
ps  if you need any lookups or photos etc for Hull/East Riding, give me a shout.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 30 October 21 12:23 BST (UK) »
Any signs of an undertakers name?
 Brian
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 30 October 21 13:13 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid not, Brian. A few years ago I contacted the archivist at Jimmy's and asked him about the undertaker. However, the only information they had was the ward number where she died and what is on the death cert. He did tell me who the most commonly used undertaker was at the time and I contacted them but their records do not go back to 1954. None of the other undertakers in the area were interested in helping. I suppose there's nothing in it for them. Shame because that could've been a positive link.
Thanks again, Brian.
ps if you have any lookups or photos needed in the Hull/East Riding area, let me know.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #39 on: Monday 01 November 21 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Death registrations are informant driven, people are registered in the name they are usually known by and can be subject to variant spellings plus wrong dates of birth and wrong places of birth after 1969.

In more recent times with computerisation, relatives have had the opportunity to list several names on a death registration.

If anyone other than me or my brothers registers my dad's death when the time comes he will most probably be given the wrong name, his birth registration name has never been used, my grandmother was told what to name him by her parents, my grandfather didn't get a look-in.

I'm sorry that local funeral directors were not more helpful. To put their spin on things they are dealing with the recently bereaved and may not have time, they may not have been in existence then, they were in business then but are not now, just ceased trading or merged with another company, their records may not go back to 1954 and if they do aren't computerised so will take some looking through.

My father has record cards going back to the 1960's, but he's no longer trading. When he sold his business in the 1980's the paper records went to the company who acquired it.

When you do find her burial, the cemetery register will most probably have details as to who conducted the funeral.
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #40 on: Monday 01 November 21 12:02 GMT (UK) »
As you seem to have exhausted burial, you should consider cremation.

There were 2 crematoria in the area, Lawnswood started in 1905 and Cottingly Hall in 1938

Maybe contact the council offices about this and in your request with all the details you have (name, date of death, address, place of death) tell them where you have already looked so they dont waste their time

https://www.leeds.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/death/bereavement-services/find-cemeteries-and-crematoria
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« Reply #41 on: Monday 01 November 21 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Do you know how long Annie had been living at 134 Chapeltown Road - or even how long she'd been in Leeds? Could she have been just passing through?

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« Reply #42 on: Monday 01 November 21 18:46 GMT (UK) »
The location AGBRIGG was mentioned briefly earlier, this covers a wide area starting in Rothwell and covers Wakefield.
Have you had a search outside the Leeds boundary towards Wakefield.
 Brian
Lawnswood/Cottingley both covered in the search, no luck there.
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« Reply #43 on: Monday 01 November 21 19:56 GMT (UK) »
The location AGBRIGG was mentioned briefly earlier, this covers a wide area starting in Rothwell and covers Wakefield.

True - but that was the one who was buried at Harehills in March, who turned out not to be the one we're looking for.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #44 on: Monday 01 November 21 21:39 GMT (UK) »
Death registrations are informant driven, people are registered in the name they are usually known by and can be subject to variant spellings plus wrong dates of birth and wrong places of birth after 1969.

In more recent times with computerisation, relatives have had the opportunity to list several names on a death registration.

If anyone other than me or my brothers registers my dad's death when the time comes he will most probably be given the wrong name, his birth registration name has never been used, my grandmother was told what to name him by her parents, my grandfather didn't get a look-in.

I'm sorry that local funeral directors were not more helpful. To put their spin on things they are dealing with the recently bereaved and may not have time, they may not have been in existence then, they were in business then but are not now, just ceased trading or merged with another company, their records may not go back to 1954 and if they do aren't computerised so will take some looking through.

My father has record cards going back to the 1960's, but he's no longer trading. When he sold his business in the 1980's the paper records went to the company who acquired it.

When you do find her burial, the cemetery register will most probably have details as to who conducted the funeral.

Hi Dawn. Thanks for youre interest and your help. I have searched Lawnswood and Cottingley Hall cremation records for Annie, under her real surname of AUSTON with alternative spellings and under her alias, SMITH, spelling variations for which are limited.
She was born in Gt.Bentley, Essex in 1871, the daughter of a wealthy farmer. She first appears in Leeds on the 1901 census, lodging in Rockingham St. already having given birth to two illegitimate children, one in Newark and one in Earsham, Norfolk.  Here, in Leeds, she gave birth to her third child (father unknown), Edward Alexander Auston who was immediately placed in a 'foster home'. In 1910, she is on the 1910 Tax Valuation record as Annie E, AUSTON. But later that year she put Edward Alexander in a reform school as he was apparently out of control. However, its at this point she appears to have taken on the false identity of Annie Alexandra Smith, widow and guardian of young Edward. She further states on the reformatory entry register that it's not known if Edward's mother is alive or dead. From here she appears as Smith in the 1911 census, having taken the christian name of her firstborn child, a daughter and living in Woodbine Place, Leeds.
The trail goes cold now until her death in St.James hospital, Leeds in 1954. Her death cert. gives her address as 134 Chapeltown Rd. but I've no idea how long she had lived there.
And once again, the trail goes cold.
I've been very fortunate in having had loads of help on Rootschat for finding various past members of my family and I'm always impressed by the knowledge members hold and share.
 David
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.