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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #225 on: Friday 10 December 21 07:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Eunice, and welcome  :) :)

Your Benjamin was not a Parkhurst Boy.

This entry for a Benjamin HEARSE of the 65th Regiment of Foot appears in Hughes, H & L (1988) Discharged in New Zealand. Soldiers of the Imperial Foot Regiments who took their discharge in New Zealand 1840-1870.

65th Regiment, p.84:
Regimental No.:      2289   
Rank:         Pte (e.g. Private)
Name:         HEARSE, Benjamin
Birthplace:      Tandragee   (Tandragee is a village in County Armagh)
Trade (on enlistment): Lab (e.g. Labourer, not further differentiated)
Date of Enlistment:   201045+
Place of Discharge:   WG (e.g. Wanganui)
Date of Discharge:   311250
Type of Discharge:   R (e.g. Discharged by Reduction)
Ship/s:   JCJV3 (e.g. JOHN CALVIN, convict ship, departed Woolwich 040546, arrived Hobart Town via Norfolk Island 071046, then JAVA, departed Sydney NSW 081146, arrived Auckland 271146)

Note: The indicator + refers to a footnote that states ‘See also page 102’.
On this page under the heading;
Enlistment Details - Place and Age (years-months) is the listing;
‘2289 HEARSE Banbridge 18-6’.

(Banbridge probably refers to the town in County Down, about 5 miles west of Tandragee).

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #226 on: Friday 10 December 21 07:53 GMT (UK) »
To provide some context to these entries I quote the introductory text for the 65th Regiment list (pp.67-68).

'Section 13    65th (2nd YORKSHIRE NORTH RIDING) REGIMENT
Of all the regiments the 65th, known as "The Royal Tigers" from their badge (granted for services in India), had the longest association with New Zealand and well over eleven hundred of their rank and file took their discharge here. They served all over the North Island and were known by the Maoris as "The Hickety Pips", their version of "65th". In many ways their activities followed the same pattern as those of the 58th. During the period August 1845 to May 1846 the Regiment provided guards for eight convict ships, six for Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) and the CHINA and JOHN CALVIN for Norfolk Island. After delivering the convicts the guards went on to Sydney, either on the same ships or by transferring to one of the others as convenient. Then in 1846, when disturbances broke out in New Zealand in the Hutt Valley, most of the available guards were hurriedly shipped over to Wellington on the LEVANT. Meanwhile the main part of the Regiment had embarked at Woolwich on the JAVA which called in at Hobart Town on its way to Sydney. Not long after arrival there the ship was re-chartered to take the troops across to New Zealand; two companies (about 200 men) disembarked at the Bay of Islands while the rest continued down to Auckland. Unfortunately owing to an outbreak of measles amongst the children at Chatham, then the Depot of the 65th, no married officers or soldiers had been allowed to travel out from England on the JAVA; they followed later on the SIR ROBERT PEEL which, in addition to the Commanding Officer Lieut. Colonel Gold with his wife and four children, carried the Sergeant Major, Quarter master Sergeant, Armourer Sergeant, Drum Major, Orderly Room Clerk, three Colour Sergeants, eight Sergeants, three Corporals, 42 privates, 51 women & 79 children; the privates must have had a hard time with so many senior NCOs on board. In July 1847 the 65th was ordered to move down to Wellington, being relieved in Auckland by the 58th. Between October 1846 and November 1852 guards were provided on ten more convict ships from UK to Van Diemen's Land and New South Wales and in each case these guards were ferried across the Tasman to New Zealand on whatever shipping was available. In addition further reinforcements were sent out from Britain during 1852-64 going direct to NZ. When the 58th left for England in November 1858 the 65th was, briefly, the sole garrison in these parts; the headquarters were by then in Auckland with detachments at Wellington, Taranaki and Napier. However from 1860 onwards disturbances broke out in Taranaki and elsewhere and other regiments were soon sent over. The 65th were heavily involved in Taranaki, and later in the Waikato including the battles at Rangiriri (November 1863) and Orakau (April 1864). Finally, after just over 19 years in New Zealand, the Regiment embarked for England in October 1865 on the two ships ROB ROY and JOHN TEMPERLEY. Additional enlistment particulars, giving the place and the recruit's age at that time, are also included for nearly five hundred of the soldiers in our list and are given from page 100 onwards. This information is not available here for those who enlisted before April 1845, or between December 1846 and July 1851, or those who transferred from another regiment, but can be deduced if the recruit was a "Boy" at the time as his promotion to Private would have taken place on his 15th birthday.'

See next post for remainder of article:
ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #227 on: Friday 10 December 21 07:54 GMT (UK) »
'As with the 58th Regiment many of the entries in the list of discharges have a four-letter abbreviation in the last column; the first two letters indicate the ship on which the soldier left the United Kingdom and the other two give the ship on which he arrived in New Zealand. A two-letter entry indicates a single ship from UK to NZ but because so many others joined the JAVA at Sydney its journey across the Tasman has been treated as a separate voyage, using JV for those who disembarked at the Bay of Islands and JV for those who carried on to Auckland. It must be emphasized again that the date first quoted for each ship normally refers to the embarkation of the troops and not the sailing date; thus the soldiers boarded the first convict ship, the SAMUEL BODDINGTON, on 26 August 1845 but in this case the convicts were picked up in Ireland and the ship actually sailed from Dublin on 23 September 1845. Similar particulars regarding the ship PALMYRA have already been given on page 8.
The muster rolls also tell us that No.2194 Private Edward McKENNA was born in Leeds and became a wireworker before enlisting in the 65th on 12 January 1845; he sailed out to Auckland on the JAVA. In a hectic skirmish at Camerontown on 7 September 1863 McKenna, by then a Colour Sergeant, took over command of a group of the 65th when both the officers had become incapacitated and he performed with such gallantry that he was later awarded the Victoria Cross and promoted to Ensign. He retired from the army on 1 September 1865 and latterly became the stationmaster at Wanganui, celebrating his golden wedding in 1903. He died in 1908 and his medals were eventually presented to the Auckland Museum. For further particulars regarding the history and achievements of the Regiment readers are recommended to study Broughton's Memoirs of the 65th Regiment which is available in major libraries and is full of interesting detail.'

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #228 on: Friday 10 December 21 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Spades, that is phenomenal thank you so very much! That information is amazing and provides an incredibly large piece of the puzzle in solving the mystery of our ancestor! Albeit now no longer a mystery, I really can't thank you enough,  you have made me so very happy! THANK YOU! :D
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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #229 on: Friday 10 December 21 21:28 GMT (UK) »
My pleasure!

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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Parkhurst Boys
« Reply #230 on: Thursday 10 March 22 19:47 GMT (UK) »
I am researching the Parkhurst Boys, two boatloads of young 'convicts' who were sent from Parkhurst Prison to Auckland New Zealand. Today my particular interest is Frederick Horne who came on the St. George In 1842. I am stuck with several Frederick Hornes and trying to identify the right one.

I see that "Tokoroa Wilsons" was on this very topic in 2020. I'd like to get in touch with "Tokoroa Wilsons" especially if he/she is a descendant of Frederick Horne or one of the other Parkhurst Boys and can help me find the right one.

John Gill, Wellington

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #231 on: Friday 11 March 22 09:37 GMT (UK) »
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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #232 on: Sunday 13 March 22 19:35 GMT (UK) »
George Baker

Convicted 1838 at the Old Bailey

804. GEORGE BAKER was indicted for stealing, on the 28th of February, 1 silver watch, value 30s.; the goods of Catherine Harris; to which he pleaded
      GUILTY .— Transported for Seven Years.


George was aged 16 when he came to New Zealand on the St George in 1842. He was trained as a shoemaker. David Rough placed him with the Survey Department as a tent keeper.

I have found several possibilities but have found cause to eliminate most, and none are looking really solid.

However, while researching George I found the Roll of Colonists created in 1940, the centenary of settlement. This included settlers to Auckland from before 1852. George Baker is on the list, with his date of arrival as 1842, but with no mention of the ship he arrived on. This may have been a device for concealing his origin as a Parkhurst Boy, but likely in 1940 his descendants were seeking recognition for him as a settler.

Can you help link me to the correct George Baker?








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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #233 on: Friday 18 March 22 00:24 GMT (UK) »
John Ryan, a Parkhurst Boy off the St George in 1842. He was convicted at the old bailey in 1841, of simple larceny. My last confirmed sighting of him is 1843 when he is a servant in Epsom. I'm testing to see if he could be one of the mutinous crew of the schooner Helen in 1850.

Anyone with a connection to either John Ryan?

Can someone show the missing link?