"Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43

[BAC3]

Hello Riley,

Sad news, but never mind!  All my thanks for trying, I really am grateful.

NZ continues to be an enigma in terms of tracing the "Parkhurst Boys".........I have some excellent "prime source" material  from Internal Affairs, Archives New Zealand, which charts their progress minutely up to 3 years after their arrival.  Beyond that point(1844/45),  very little unfortunately.

Once again my thanks for helping.

Regards

Tony

[liverpool annie]

Hi Tony!


Jebb, Sir Joshua, 1793-1863, Knight Surveyor General of Convict Prisons

1793-1876

You may have this already - but I found a collection -  that talks about the boys at Parkhurst and also talks about Queen Victoria pardoning 2 of the boys !! - don't know how hard it is to gain access -  but thought you might be interested!

http://library-2.lse.ac.uk/archives/handlists/Jebb/m.html

http://www.lse.ac.uk/library/


Annie

[BAC3]

Hello Annie,

Oh dear......very much a weak spot in my research and one of the most important "protaganists" too, Sir Joshua Jebb.   I will have to visit the British Library at some stage, but the thought of fossicking through 13 boxes of material, plus the cost of travelling back and fore to the Library itself, is daunting.

Fortunately there is some material at Southampton University which I am working my through, and I did obtain quite a few of his Reports via the Prison Service Library at Newbold Revel, but NOT his correspondence which is essential.

You also hit upon one of life's little mysteries......I knew of the two juveniles pardoned by Queen Victoria when she visited the prison on the 2nd August 1845, though I have never been able to establish who the two boys actually were, even with the help of the Parkhurst Heritage Centre!!   I scanned the two websites you gave me but I could not find a direct reference to the incident.....help!!??

The LSE will not allow direct access to the archives etc. off campus, except by special arrangement.....however, whatever material I need normally Southampton can obtain for me through the Inter-Library Loan system.

For now

Tony

[liverpool annie]

Hi Tony!

Here's your homework!!!: some stuff you have - I'm sure ! - I'll keep looking for the two boys!! - apparently the story is  in the collection - you have to try and get that!

http://www.fred.net/jefalvey/newgate.html

http://www.shoal.net.au/~whybrow/index.html

http://www.exclassics.com/newgate/ngconts.htm

http://library-2.lse.ac.uk/archives/handlists/Jebb/Jebb.html

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?LinkID=mp56683&rNo=0&role=sit

http://www.lse.ac.uk/library/archive/gutoho/Jebb.htm                                       

http://www.thepeerage.com/p9460.htm

Annie 


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Jill_M_Chambers/#_Parkhurst_Prison_Registers

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Jenny5/voyage_out.htm

[liverpool annie]

Tony!

The Protector of Aborigines was the man who stopped the Parkhurst Boys going to New Zealand after I think it was 1843!!


http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/heritage/collection/8.cfm

http://www.mup.unimelb.edu.au/catalogue/0-522-84744-7.html

http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/community/aboriginalhistory-index.html

http://static.highbeam.com/q/quadrant/april012003/fromthediaryofaprotectorofaboriginesaboriginalpoli/

http://www.atmitchell.com/journeys/social/robinson.cfm

Thought you might be interested - that is of course if you don't already have these 

Annie

[lynbee]

Hi Tony
What is it that you want to know about the Parkhurst boys?

I am a descendant of one of them...don't have a lot of info but am willing to share what I do have. 
These are a couple of good sites if you are just looking for names.

http://pearlspad.net.nz/ParkhurstBoys.htm

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tonyf/parkhurstboys/convicts4.html

What I am more interested in is finding out more info on them before they came to NZ.

Regards
Lyn

[BAC3]

Annie,

Thank you for the "homework"!!

......these look good, interesting leads which I have just scanned quickly for the moment and will come back to you later.   One or two are familiar I think, possibly in other guises, if the accompanying music is any indication.

Talk to you in a while,

Tony

[BAC3]

Hello Lyn,

Delighted to hear from you.

Hopefully we can exchange details for your "Parkhurst Boy".......the information I hold on most of the 123 boys who were transported to NZ comes from two prime sources:

(1)   The Parkhurst Prison Register 1838-1864 (National
        Archives HO24/15); and
(2)   Internal Affairs 1, Archives NZ, which is a series of
        correspondence with the Colonial Secretary from
        1842 to 1844/45 regarding their Apprenticeships
        and conduct.

Please let me have his name and I will draw up the details for you......for each of the boys I prepare a Biography, covering (1) and (2) above and brief details of life after transportation, for example, marriage, children, work, any instances of re-offending, death (Obituary Notices if available) but, most of all, I like the descendants to include whatever they think important.

I look forward to the name.

For now

Tony

[lynbee]

Hi Tony,
Seems like you might have more info than me!!
I do not have access to the NZ Archives.
Some of what I have I am pretty certain of, but it is unverified, due to limited finances and lack of mobility.  But here is what I have:-
Isaac Eggerton somewhere b. between 6/6/1826 & 14/11/1826.  Father James Eggerton, mother Unknown nee Webster (no Christian name given).
Tried & convicted of Larceny at Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey) on 6.6.1840, aged 13years.  Sentenced to 7 years.
Moved to Parkhurst Prison.
Arrived aboard the Mandarin on 14/11/1843 aged 17yrs., trained as a Cooper & Shoemaker.  Free on Arrival.  Disembarked Auckland.  (Believe that until he died he still had scars on his ankles from the shackles)
On 16/6/1849 Isaac married ary Kerns, daughter of James Kerns & Mary (nee Breen) at Auckalnd.
1852 - Isaac listed in the "Roll of Early Settlers in Auckland Province before 1852"  (pg. 72)
In 1881, Isaac is listed on the Electoral Roll as a Wood Dealer, who owned 3 cottages (freehold) in Coburg Street, Auckland. Land in Coburg Street would have been valuable even in those days, being that Coburg St (now Kitchener St) backs onto & runs parallel with Queen Street, the main street of Auckland.  He still owned this land in 1893, as per the Electoral Rolls.
As far as I have been able to ascertain, Isaac & Mary had at least 5 children....James, John (b. 8/8/1854), William (my g-grandfather), Elizabeth & Richard (d. 1866 at Auckland).
I have no idea at this satge what happened to Mary, but in 1875, Isaac married Harriet Walling, a widow, at Auckland.
Isaac died in Aucland on 1/5/1897.

That is it!  Not a lot, but I hope that it helps.
I have no idea where Isaac was born, so have not been able to trace this family any further back than him.

Hoping that you can help me break through that wall. And I would really be interested in anything at all that you may have on Isaac, before or after his arrival in NZ.

I am really looking forward to hearing from you.
God bless you
Regards
Lyn