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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #54 on: Friday 02 September 05 18:57 BST (UK) »

Hi Tony!

I was figuring he was 15 when he was transported in 1842 - 1843 !!!!
and give or take 2 or 3 years for census ages ( they never are exactly right!! )
I thought that would make the years of research 1828 - 1831...... I didn't realise that he was 15 when he was freed !!! ( that's not right is it ? is that what you're saying ??)

This John was the best possibility!
Ah well back to the drawing board as they say!!!

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #55 on: Friday 02 September 05 22:32 BST (UK) »
Hello Annie,

Sorry, and my apologies, I thought you may have been misled with John Treadgill who was not transported but "Released on Licence" back into England.......any of the Parkhurst Boys in this category, or those whose sentences had expired and were simply discharged from Parkhurst Prison, are going to be extremely hard to find.  The three examples I sent you earlier are all in these categories.

The only true hope is that I concentrate on those with particularly unusual names or, another thought, some were returned to the Gaols where they had originally been imprisoned after conviction.

The difficulty with the Parkhurst Prison Register that I use, and most other researchers have the same problem, is to determine whether or not the age quoted is that either when they entered the Prison or were discharged.  I tend to use the former........in most cases, however, there is only a 2 year, or at the most 3 year, age difference between the two events.

William Isherwood was transported and the records I have from Australia indicate there is every possibility he returned to England, although it would have been extremely expensive.

Once again I really am grateful for the way people "mucked in" to help me.

For now

Tony

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #56 on: Friday 02 September 05 23:02 BST (UK) »



OK Tony!

I think I've " got it " now ::) ::)
I didn't read the fine print properly - story of my life ..... !

I'll start again!!

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #57 on: Friday 02 September 05 23:10 BST (UK) »
Annie,

As a mature Postgraduate I have many, many "Senior Moments".......that involves not reading the small print, too........!!

Nos da (Yes, another of those accursed Welshmen)

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 03 September 05 15:37 BST (UK) »


Hi Tony !

Woodydog found this !

William Isherwood & Robina Dick married 9 May 1853 in Tasmania, Australia- Robina 20 & William 21 at time of marriage (taken from the IGI)

Robina & William married in Campbell Town,Tasmania 1853
Fanny was born in 1854 in Hobart, Tasmania.

No sign of them on 1861 and 1871 census in England! - especially Lancashire !they probably changed their names - Robina is so distinctive - nothing! D'you think they more than likely stayed there ? they could have gone home and decided to go back!

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 03 September 05 21:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Annie,

Please pass on my thanks to "Woodydog".

The main reason for my thinking that William Isherwood and his family may have returned to England, after he was awarded his Certificate of Freedom on 27/06/1855, was the comment on his Conduct Record ....."Must pay cost of passage".   He was a Coppersmith and presumably fairly well-paid, so there is some possibility he could have afforded the fares.

Do you remember our little discussion about whaling and the Blue Gum Clipper Industry?   I was completing research on one of the Tasmanian Parkhurst Boys, Ralph Halliwell,  today and his Conduct Record contained the following entry..."13/01/1852: Hobart - Absconded and concealed on board a whaler with intent to escape and sentenced to 18 months hard labour".

For now

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 03 September 05 23:29 BST (UK) »




Tony - do you have this list of links ?

http://www.genealogylinks.net/australia/tasmania/tas-con.htm

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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 04 September 05 10:53 BST (UK) »
Hello all- I found the following on "The Times" archive, don't know if it will help or throw a spanner in the works!

The Times dated 7 January 1846
Middlesex Sessions
Thomas Miller aged 8 & Henry Rawley aged 15 convicted of stealing a wooden till containing £1 11s & 6d the property of Andrew Glass.
After much discussion regarding the ages of the boys and the fact that if they went to Parkhurst they would have to be transported (which they seemed to think too hard a punishment) it was found that they had been in court on numerous other occasions & that they would be sentenced to be transported for 7 years each through Parkhurst.
Now then where are William & Robina....... told you I'd get side tracked..............................!!!!
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Pratt- Catterick/Richmond N.Yorks & Wilsden/Halifax West Yorks
Maylor- Preston/ Poulton Le Fylde
Whitaker- Halifax
Dixon- London & Yorkshire
Booth-Middleton,Oldham,Royton,Lancs
Boyling-Oldham,Royton & Shropshire
Harris- Bradford, Prestwich Manchester
SMITH!! Kirkcaldy, Manchester
Sturgess-  Preston Candover, Hampshire & London
Nixon- London
Walters- London & Hampshire
Settle - Halifax & Brighouse
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Re: "Parkhurst Boys" transported to NZ 1842/43
« Reply #62 on: Sunday 04 September 05 13:44 BST (UK) »
Good Afternoon Rose,

Thank you for the message...interesting!

Neither Thomas Miller nor Henry Rawley appear in the Parkhurst Prison Register, which I find strange if reported by the "Thunderer"....certainly as soon as there was any mention of "Previous Convictions", regardless of the seriousness, any sympathy towards the juveniles evaporated, and in 1846 Parkhurst Prison  (or should I say transportation) would have been the automatic sentence!!

Back to William and Robina.........

For now

Tony