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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 25 November 18 17:48 GMT (UK) »
Death aged 39

Sorry Kay just realised you have already given this.

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 25 November 18 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Do you know if Alice married? trying to trace Alice with a hope of finding James

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #20 on: Monday 26 November 18 10:38 GMT (UK) »
1911 census and age at death consistent with birth 1887.

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #21 on: Monday 26 November 18 10:52 GMT (UK) »
He is very elusive, can't find anything out about Alice that might lead us forward, oh well, we plod on

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
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Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #22 on: Monday 26 November 18 11:01 GMT (UK) »
What names do you see for witnesses on the marriage certificate, 1920?.

Where did they marry ie church?  What occupation for James MARSHALL?

What information do you see for Sarah JACOBS.....age...fathers name and occupation...address?

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #23 on: Monday 26 November 18 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately Wivenhoe this is what has been entered so far

James Marshall Senior (the father) was marked as deceased on his son's James Marshall Junior's wedding certificate in 1920, so the rank or profession of father was left blank.
Regarding the 1920 Marriage Certificate, there are witnesses listed as :  H. Grier and J. Dennis (could be F. Dennis?)

It really is frustrating so far on James Marshall, him dying before 1939 hasn't helped either

Louisa Maud

PS, just thought, James Marshall didn't have his sister as witness to his marriage, I wonder if this means Alice had died prior to his marriage, it is quoted she was in Poplar Devons Road as at 1915
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Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #24 on: Monday 26 November 18 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, an update for you, but first, to answer some questions:

I have no details on Alice except that he was James's sister in 1915/16, when James gave her address as Devons Road, Poplar, London.  No house number or anything more precise.

James and his wife Sarah married in Paddington in 1920, which would be in his district/neighbourhood.  On the marriage certificate, he was a sorter at the General Post Office.  His father, another James Marshall, was deceased.  I already know James and Sarah went on to live in East London, and Sarah after being widowed moved to Essex.  The mystery is where did James come from - there is no record of him prior to 1911, and also, who is his sister Alice, again no records exists of her anywhere other than James' reference to her in his Army records.

Naturally, been searching myself.  We know James (Junior) was born around 1884-7 in Camberwell, London.  Making the fair and plausible assumption that his mother/father was local to Camberwell and all brothers/sisters would be registered in the same place and be born within 10 years of each other, I have found the following Marshalls registered in Camberwell around that time:

[1] Alice Daisy Marshall, age 26yo, a maid to a Japanese couple in the 1911 Census, residing in Kensington South.
[2] Alice Marshall as a 6yo in the 1891 census, one of many in the District South Metropolitan District School, Witham, Essex.  This suggests Alice (and presumably James) were orphans.

I don't know obviously if it's the same Alice, but the orphanage would certainly explain the lack of parents.  I could not find any other relevant Marshalls... could just be the two siblings.

I also found an Alice Marshall 1886 born Camberwell in the 1901 Census residing in Croydon as a 16yo daughter to Charles and Bridget Marshall, I'm taking that as not our girl, but wanted to mention it to rule it out.

Marshall, London Paddington and Poplar
Ogborn, London Lewisham and Kennington
Weller, London Lewisham and Dartford (Kent)
Watson, Essex Southend, Rochford and Wickford
Brown/Browne, Northamptonshire Peterborough
Bukhari, London East Ham

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #25 on: Monday 26 November 18 15:35 GMT (UK) »
I believe there is a link with Poplar, that I have yet to established.  It is where his wife Sarah and Sarah's father were from.  Newly weds James and Sarah moved to Poplar to be close to Sarah's family and presumably to be close to James' sister.

I would imagine James and his sister Alice to have been close.  With Sarah being a neighbour of Alice, I imagine he met his would-be-wife either through his sister, or through visiting his sister. 

Or maybe that's just wishful, romanticising thinking and it is nothing more than a coincidence, of course it's hard to say.  Obviously no idea at all if Alice was a Devons Road for a long time, either...  still cannot find her in any polling/census records.  She may have moved a fair bit!

How many unaccounted Jame and Alice Marshalls can there be...  Not sure how Alice came to be in Poplar or how James came to be in Paddington, assuming they were born in Camberwell.

I'll keep looking!  Thanks a lot everyone - really would be nice to get this one solved!
Marshall, London Paddington and Poplar
Ogborn, London Lewisham and Kennington
Weller, London Lewisham and Dartford (Kent)
Watson, Essex Southend, Rochford and Wickford
Brown/Browne, Northamptonshire Peterborough
Bukhari, London East Ham

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Re: Missing a Marshall born 1885/6 Camberwell
« Reply #26 on: Monday 26 November 18 16:01 GMT (UK) »
Alice Daisy Marshall registered Dec qtr 1884 Lambeth

MMN Mills

So far no James

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London