World War One. Gipsy Roll of Honour.

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Friday 21 June 1878
  Carlisle Journal
  Cumberland

 FATAL ACCIDENT IN WESTMORLAND.
An inquest was held on Tuesday last, at Drybeck, in Westmorland, on the body of child, ten months old, named Jane Winter. She was the daughter of Thomas Winter, hawker, of Lanchester, Durham. On Saturday Winter and his family were returning from Appleby fair.  At Qaredale they took the horse out of the cart, in order to feed it; and in attempting to put the harness on it again, it ran away, and knocked the child out of the arms of a little girl who was nursing her, and trod heavily upon her body, causing such injuries that she died the next day.—A verdict of “Accidental death was returned.
 


  Saturday 22 June 1878
  Kendal Mercury
  Westmorland 


CURIOUS AND FATAL ACCIDENT A HAWKER'S CHILD.
On Tuesday last Mr C. G. Thomson, coroner, conducted an inquest at the Railway Inn, on account of the death of a little child,’ Jane Winter, aged I0 months, daughter of Thomas Winter, who for the past few months had been travelling about the country as a hawker. The child had been knocked down by a horse on the Saturday night previous, and death resulted from the injuries then received, on the Sunday. The particulars of the accident are embodied in the following evidence:— Alice Winter, wife of Thomas Winter, Wellingham, swill maker, deposed —The deceased, June Winter, was my daughter. She was 10 months old on the 3rd this month. We left Wolsingham about four months ago—just travelling here and there and making a living by hawking. Myself and husband and five children and the deceased comprised our family. We had been attending Appleby fair last Wednesday, and left Appleby that day along with a man named Phil Kelly who had a horse and cart. We stayed in Soul Lane on Wednesday night. On Thursday night we stayed near old Abbey between Kirkby Stephen and the Moor Cock. On Friday night we stayed near the Moor Cock, and on Saturday we camped down Qaredale. We camped out each night Between eight and nine o'clock on Saturday night we loosed out the horse and intended remaining there all night when two gentleman came and told us to move forward to a moor near Sedbergh. John Kelly (brother to Phil) went to fetch his horse, and whilst he was putting the saddle and harness on, it slipped away from him and went trotting up the road after another horse. My daughter, Phillis Winter, had deceased in her arms, and the horse ran against her and knocked her down with such force that she let deceased fall out of her arms, and the horse's hind foot trod on the low part of deceased' Body. Daughter Phillis is nine years of age. I ran and picked up deceased. She cried for about 18 minutes, and then i then gave her the breast and she was quiet. Then we went forward, and on Sunday I took deceased to Dr. Swain, who gave deceased a powder, and recommended to foment the body with warm water and warm cloths. I did to. We went forward on Sunday to Blackbeck, in Middleton, and remained there. About 11 o'clock on Sunday morning deceased commenced taking fits, and continued to take them every three or four minutes untill she died about 11 o'clock. Before the fits commenced deceased appeared be going on nicely. no allegations of any carelessness were against John Kelly. The occurrence was quite accidental. Daughter Phillis had her back to the horse when she was knocked down. John Kelly, of Colliery Dykes, in the county of Durham, tinner, deposed.—l have been travelling with last witness's husband and family for a month. About nine o'clock on Saturday night instant i was harnessing my brother's mare, when she turned about just as I was picking up the saddle, and trotted or cantered up the road. Winter's little girl was standing on the
road about fifteen yards from the cart, with deceased in her arms. The mare ran against deceased’s sister and knocked her down, and deceased fell from her arms, and the horse stopped on deceased's body with i think its hind foot. There was nothing that frightened the horse. It is a very old horse, and has the habit of slipping away from you. We did not know that habit then, we only got it at Appleby fair. The jury returned verdict of ‘‘Accidental death.”

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Friday 18 November 1881
 Stamford Mercury
     Lincolnshire 

 Elias Pearce, of Louth, gipsy, horse dealer, and Elizabeth Pearce alias Betsy Winter, were each fined for being disorderly and refusing to quit licensed premises at Caistor on the 16th Oct.; Elias Pearce was also fined 

Friday 06 August 1886
  Lincolnshire Chronicle
  Lincolnshire 

Richard Winter, travelling horse dealer, pleaded guilty to a charge of allowing 16 animals (horses and ponies) to stray on the highway leading from Market Rasen to South Kelsey


Wednesday 07 November 1888
  Sheffield Independent
  Yorkshire

Fracas among Gipsies.—At yesterday, Brown and Richard Winter, gipsy horse dealers, were charged with obstructing the highway on the 12th October. From the evidence given it appeared that the two defendants and a number of other gipsies quarrelled 
 

Friday 02 October 1896
  Stamford Mercury
  Lincolnshire

hezekiah  Brown, travelling horse dealer,charged for fighting at Brigg Sept. and fined.  Harriet Winters, Wrawby, for having at Brigg  assaulted Aaron Pearce, horse dealer, of Yaddlethorpe, fined


Wednesday 24 August 1898
  Northwich Guardian
  Cheshire

 
 On Monday, at Northwich Police court. before Messrs Clough and Weston, two gipsies, named Robert Winter and Maria Winter, were charged under warrant with assaulting another of the same, fraternity,  Friday night At the outset prosecutrix expressed her will to withdraw the case, the parties were willing to pay the expenses. On the facts being asked for, however, she stated that about 10.30 Friday night, when going to her van. The man struck her with his fist. Knocked her down, and kicked her. The woman came later, struck her in the face and discoloured her eye. She was pulled into a neighbour’s house —Mrs. Southern and Thomas Burgess. Cumberland. Street.  In answer to the charge the male prisoner denied ever touching the woman, it was contended that the parties were drinking together, and that after leaving the house Rogers made a serious accusation to the character of Maria Winter —The Bench expressed regret to being troubled with such a drunken brawl. The woman would be fined l0s and costs, and bound over to be of good behaviour, in the recognisances in each case of £3. And surety of a like amount. .

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Monday 16 June 1902
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire

GIPSY GIRL S DEATH.     
  Jane Winters, aged 17. One a tribe of gipsies, now stopping at Bradford died at the Infirmary on Saturday from the effects of poison. How she came by the poison nobody at present knows, and the matter is being inquired into by the police. It is said her father called her on Saturday morning, and receiving no answer, he then went into her compartment of the van, there he found her unconscious, and had her once conveyed to the infirmary. a bottle has since been found which had contained Laudanum


  Tuesday 17 June 1902
  Leeds Mercury
  Yorkshire

 
 THE GIPSY GIRL’S DEATH The death of Mary Winters (17). one of a family living in a caravan now at Undercliffe, Bradford, was inquired into by the Bradford City Coroner yesterday. She was found in bed unconscious in Bradford on Saturday morning, and taken to the Infirmary, where she expired later in the day. The evidence given showed that on Friday night she went inta shop in Otley-road and showed the assistant a bottle. The label stated Laudanum— Poison. Medicine use- “Narcotic and soothing” The assistant told the girl to be very careful with it, as it was deadly poison, and the girl went away. It was also shown that the girl had obtained the poison of John Calvert, chemist, in Idle-road, stating it was for her mother; and Dr. Hirst, of the Infirmary, said she must have taken a large doze of it. The friends of the deceased did not know why she should have taken the laudanum, and the jury returned a verdict that death was due to poison, self-administered, but that there was no evidence to show the state of the mind of the deceased when she took it 


 
Tuesday 17 June 1902
  Hull Daily Mail
  Yorkshire


 A GIPSY GIRL'S SUICIDE. On Monday an inquest was held on Mary Winter (17), a travelling gipsy, who died from the effects of laudanum poisoning, self-administered- The deceased was with her parents encamped in a caravan at Undercliffe, and whilst out hawking ...
 She told her sister she was going to die. The jury returned verdict of death from laudanum poisoning, but there was not sufficient evidence to show the state of her mind

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 Friday 21 July 1905
  Coventry Herald
  Warwickshire 

William Winter, hawker, of no fixed abode, pleaded guilty to lodging under a haystack in a field near the Road.



Wednesday 20 March 1907
  Dundee Evening Telegraph
  Angus 
Scotland

MADAME WINTER, Gipsy Palmist. —Your Past, Present. And Future. Foretold from the Hand. 

 
 Tuesday 13 August 1912
 Derby Daily Telegraph
  Derbyshire 

GYPSIES IN THE DOCK.
PRISON AND FINES FOR ATTACK ON KENTISH FARMER.

Five of the party of gypsies who brutally attacked Frederick Jackman. of Hasted Farm, Lingfield, were charged with assault  at oxton on Monday Their names were : Edward Winter, Thomas Winter. Elizabeth Winter, Susan Winter, and Sarah Ann Clark. Prosecutor, whose head and face were cut and bruised, said he met prisoners and others in one of his fields gathering mushrooms. He ordered them to throw the mushrooms away and leave his farm, but they refused, and Edward Winter and a man not in custody attacked him. Edward Winter threw at him, and the women with hop poles belaboured him about the head. He managed to get to the top of the field, where prisoners were joined by others, and the attack was renewed. They formed a ring round him and he was struck from all quarters.  He was knocked to the ground, and amid shrieks of ' Boot him, kill him, he was kicked and struck about the body. Some of the other farm hands came to his assistance, and the party ran away. Police-sergeant Nash pursued them in a motor car lent by Mr R. E. Thompson, Edenbridge, and with assistance arrested prisoners. Edward Winter was sentenced to a month's inprisonment. and the others were fined 10s. each.



  Tuesday 13 August 1912
  Daily Herald
  London 

Attack on a farmer, Mr. Frederick Jackman, was investigated at the Oxton Bench yesterday. The prisoners were Edward Winter and Thomas Winter (father and son), Susan Winter and Elizabeth Winter   (daughters of Edward). and Ann Clarke. 

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Wednesday 26 July 1916
  Perthshire Advertiser
  Perthshire
  Scotland

DUNKELD. MOTOR AND CARAVAN COLLIDE.—A sequel to a recent motor accident near Ballinhoig was heard in Perth Sheriff Court on Saturday, when William Sheriff, motor lorry driver, Dunkeld, denied having, on 8th July, on the road between Pitlochry and  Ballinhoig Driving a motor lorry, which collided with a caravan driven by Albert Edward Winter, whereby Winter was thrown out of the van and the caravan damaged. The story of the prosecution was that the caravan was approaching Ballinhoig, and a motor car was coming towards it. Winter pulled into the side of the road, and as the car was passing, the motor lorry struck the caravan. A shaft of the caravan was broken, as well as an axle and two springs, while the horse bolted. Winter was thrown from his seat.  The defence was that the driver of the car was to blame in respect that he did not pull up. The Sheriff found the charge proved. 



Friday 04 July 1919
  Yorkshire Evening Post
  Yorkshire 

 GIPSY WOMAN'S PROMISES OF NEWS OF THE DEAD.
 BARNSLEY MAGISTRATES' SENTENCE. Ada Winter (18), a gipsy hawker, was charged at Barnsley to day with stealing, by a trick, sums of  money. Two of the charges were gone into last week, when the Bench disagreed. Mrs. March, of Low Valley, said she lent The prisoner money in order that she might bring news of her brother-in-law, who was killed in France, but who the prisoner said, was alive. 


 Tuesday 03 April 1928
 Daily Herald
  London 

LONG SITTING TO EJECT JUPITER!   
Matilda Winter, a gipsy, told her Jupiter must be removed from the stars.
 I will sit 12 days and 12 nights for this purpose……………

Saturday 07 April 1928
  Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian
  Fife
 Scotland

Kirkcaldy Farmer Motor Accident. —Mr William Meiklem, the well-known farmer and breeder of Clydesdales, had an alarming experience in a motor smash last week. He was motoring from his home in Kirkcaldy towards Lochgelly, and on the hill between Muttonhall and Ternplehall a collision took place between his motor and car belonging to Mr Albert Winter, showman, returning from Dundee to Kirkcaldy.


 
Wednesday 26 November 1941
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire
 
Gaol For Hucknall Gipsy
... Hucknall Gipsy charged For stealing £65 from a Hucknall woman with whom he had been staying, William  A. Winter) 40, of Laughton crescent, Hucknall, was at the Shire Hall to-day, sent to prison for four months 
 
Ps…Hucknall was the land of the famouse Derbyshire Boswells, i will put more names of the Winters on conserning the War yeares another time with more of their story's for their Relations to find

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Gipsies Roll of Honour
 World War One
    28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.


Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil   
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp   East Kent Regiment   L/8117   Pte   
Charles Scamp   East Kent Regiment   2960   Pte   
Gilderoy Scamp   East Kent Regiment   204082   
Solomon Scamp   East Kent Regiment   SR/10386   
W R Scamp   East Kent Regiment   204080   Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private   
Kisby Draper  Private West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
Alias Jack Fletcher
George Gaskin     
Saunders Gaskin
William Gaskin
Alfred Gaskin 
john winter
Ernest Winter

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I will be putting everything i find on about the Great Winters maybe next year for it is taking much work, they are a Great Gipsy Family of the Highest renown, a few years back i went to Berlin to try and find out about WW2, i will put the link on about my writing from an earlyer thread on soon, in this day i have just came back from Poland, liston it is grim, from the first worled war that we are researching came soon the second Hitler in WW1 was a decorated soldier with the iron cross, he was evan wounded,  i have lots to tell but i have now been researching the Jewish ghettos, Warsaw, and i went to Krakow the old capital of Poland, yesterday i went to outswitch, you do not spell it like that but that's how it sounds to me, its so sad and grim, i love words i travel through their hidden sound, i offten wonder why no one else hear what i hear, anyway this thread about WW1 is connected to WW2, what i have seen, well its just grim let me just put on one link for you to please read through all the storeys, its grim, i could talk forever, but its not right, what happened in the past must be told in the storeys of today, what is Genealogy if only cold census reports are our objective, what about the Peoples, i know lots said the Gipsies of Britain are watered down and not much, just do your research about Genealogy in a right manner, below i will put on just one link, you may have to use you great mind to keep clicking on the other words for you to read what i have just seen these last few days in Poland, this is what i am writing about in all my writings .............. do you know the most evil rotten thing that was ever wrote about the Gipsies is that they never cared about others or they were introverted, lies all that, the Gipsies saw everything, i will not evan tell you no more, Gipsies have love in their Hearts, its just others think such things are a weakness, i will put on this link below, try and go evan onwards, everything in this thread of the times we talk of link up in Genealogy, if some one finds things to had i would just say please put anything on, nothing is sterile, Genealogy lives for the future People we all on Roots Chat must and will speak for the Dead so the Future People can then read through the lies of their scholars in their time, enough thoe just read through this link, i trod the same ground in many of these storeys and seen much, worked much out, its up to you if you want the truth, i know in my heart i speak the truth, its true you know the Gipsy Peoples never hated no one, but they saw them all and i guess in this mad old worled that never counted for much

 http://lekcja.auschwitz.org/en_roma_auschwitz/story_html5.html

just click on where it says yes, then click on the excerpts, if not just click on the lot and find things yourself, that Rudolf hoss fellow he was the top Nazi i saw where he had is headmans room in the evil place, after the war they brought him back and hanged the evil thing not high but quite low just near his window and next to a gas chamber, did you know the Great Fine Champions of the Polish Nation after the war got him and wrung is neck in the same place that i talk of, the scaffold is still there, they stretched his neck till his dark rotten eyes popped out, if you have not been go to this sad grim place to learn of the past the Genealogy will come to be truths in Your Own Hearts, i will talk more soon and will talk of the Great Winters, one of the Greatest Gipsies Families that no one will talk of, many Gipsies are not in books for they saw through Gipsy Eyes, work the rest out for youself

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I gather all the information i write about for you all on Roots Chat, i have been looking for several yeares over tens of thousands of records of every type, this is another link to my research i will never stop trying to learn the bigger picture, can any one alive today tell of any scholor alive or dead who spoke up for the Gipsies, not the talk in fantacy books, but the times of when they was getting butured in WW1 or WW2, tell of them old writers who they said new of hedgehogs, and so called rummneys, does anyone know real storys of real truths, what about WW1, what about anything thats real, what about the Census records is there anyone alive who would put their Childrens lives on the line to say the census reports are correct, i will forever try my best to speak for the Great Dead Gipsies, some are a bit, others a bit more, others a bit of a bit, i have no bother of such things




Re: Gipsy Dan Boswell
« Reply #429 on: Monday 03 April 17 17:12 BST (UK) »
helo  Kirsty, a good day to you, true I wrote of the Bucklands but was not or never have been researching them, I am truly a rubbish researcher, I just put on things I find for I,m a finder, I did find lots on the Bucklands but I,v thousands of pieces of paper and do not know how to sort the lot out, and I am finishing my writings soon, but if I come across anything in the future I will put it on before I go for good, I have been in Germany these last few days, I have been trying to research the history of the nazis, do you know time and time again people go on about that only the Jews are remembered, well I went to the place in Berlin that remembers the Jews, but while just walking about I also found the Dark Pool of the Gipsies, I was there but yesterday, its a Garden of Remembrance, there are glass panels engraved with the story's of the Gipsies through the thirty's until the dark days of the war, it is next to the Brandenburg Gate which is next to the Reichstag building, which houses the German parliament, a place of much history through out the agers, I hope to put on a few photos soon if the Moderators in their kindness allow me to, of course it as all to do with the bigger picture we must all seek, no matter if you are but the scrag end like me, or a mighty prince of your people, I know you and others will not know the history of these places I talk of but try to research them, try like you do in the same way that you research the census reports, try to research the bigger picture, see how the letters of words come alive, then you hopefully may feel the life's of all the Great Gipsies, then maybe to, one day like me you may also travel across Europe and go to the Garden of the Gipsies next to the Brandenburg Gate, I will help anyone in any way I can, but a researcher I am not, I will put on more about Worksop soon, I was just about to write more but I will leave it now for a while, it will just be normal everyday things, some may be right some may need a more in-depth looking at, for I know I must get much wrong, but my hope is to help Relations who like me look for the answers that guide us

click on this link then click on the photo links on the left hand side, I was standing round that pool yesterday
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gypsies+Memorial/@52.517498,13.375717,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xeea814221cb81ede!8m2!3d52.5173149!4d13.3760186?hl=en

click on this link for a brief history of the Gate
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiTk97M9IjTAhXkDMAKHbCWC5UQFgg7MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fbrandenburg-gate-a-brief-history&usg=AFQjCNGRYMAWT77dvh-CehzvdD0XbEW4nw

click on this link for some of the history of the Reichstag building, the Gipsy Dark Pool is between these two famous buildings in a quiet small woodland
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi746Cw9ojTAhUKI8AKHWTcBtEQFghiMA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.german-way.com%2Ftravel-and-tourism%2Fgermany-for-tourists%2Fcity-guides-germany%2Fberlin-and-potsdam%2Fthe-reichstag-in-berlin%2F&usg=AFQjCNGG0lZhyB0AG8bXWGhJFsFDF8irmQ

I took my own photos I will try and put a few on another time when I get them changed from my phone to the computer, they will be of the place of the Jews and the Gipsies

click on below for the place of the Jews

 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Memorial+to+the+Murdered+Jews+of+Europe/@52.51693,13.3708568,16z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xeea814221cb81ede!2sGypsies+Memorial!8m2!3d52.5173149!4d13.3760186!3m4!1s0x0:0x1434a79012ee5bc8!8m2!3d52.5139471!4d13.3787124?hl=en

ps......Yesterday while walking through the camp a Lady told me that there was two types of People who was sent to the camp, one was People like criminals or captured soldiers or polical prisoners, they were sent to the death camps for the reason of the things they did in life, the other type who the nazis rounded up were Peoples like the Jews and the Gipsies, they were sent to the death camps for the reason just of who they were

click on the first link above and then on the top left hand corner is the Dark Pool for the Gipsies i was there a few years back and i was in Poland evan this morning and trying my best to learn of the past, i will never stop trying to learn and share, this road is still being travelled, we will see what we meet, the past is not yet finished, my eyes are not weak   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9oQEa-d5rU

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 This is part two of three of my research regarding the Winters before during and after WW1, if anyone reads into my finding here and can elaborate more I would welcome your input. 
  Some years ago maybe ten or more Sue the noted researcher of Gipsy genealogy helped me to learn of the census records, I asked of the wilshers and also in a general way the Winters, I to am like others who claim they are not looking to make contact with far of connections, I am just researching for personal knowledge, the Winters through family oral talk was stated as being related so of course i was interested in such things on a personal level, Sue told me of all the research she had done, how she had worked very hard researching records pre the internet days, listening to her i wondered how a person could be so dedicated to travel round to all those officers that hold the old records and systematically go through them hour after hour, it was what Sue told me though, she  spoke of her  old notes, she  spoke of all her reading, her  knowledge,  Sue told how no one ever spoke about the Winters or the Wilshers in written records, this did not mean nothing to me as I had not evan thought that there were books out there in the first place, it was only after first starting to research that i discovered things like so-called Gipsy scholars, through my own research now i have come to the conclusion that many Gipsies of the past gave the so-called scholars a wide berth, more that them who would be of the type to go telling them things, in fact i think now most of the written history of Gipsies is wrong, the ones with the pen decided who would be spoke of and indeed how they would be spoke of, through reading many manuscripts and records i believe many Gipsys were missed out of writings for they saw the writers off, I will share I few of the links with you all on rootschat who are interested, there is some good reading for you to learn of genealogy in the written sense.