Re: Glasgow / WILLIAM CROSS & Son., carver & gilder

[Brownbaker]

Hello everyone

I need help trying to find information about the origins of William Cross & son, (Andrew?) carvers and gilders in Glasgow during the mid-1860's.

William Cross and son became well known ornamental carvers & gilders in Glasgow during the 1860's. They would have been at the forefront of the birth of Art Nouveaux design and sculpture in Scotland from 1860 to the 1900. Listed on the birth certificate of my great grandmother, Ann Steel Cross b. 1865 in Glasgow, is stated that Andrew Cross was her father, a carver & gilder however in West Kilbride(?) not Glasgow at the time of her birth.

My question is....was my great grandmother's father Andrew Cross, also William Cross's son? And if he was, what information is available about William Cross and his origins? I've not been able to find anything more about him.

Thank you for your help!
BB

 
   

[rosie99]

Do you have Andrews marriage certificate, if so what information does that give

[Brownbaker]

@rosie99

Thank you for the quick response!

Yes, i have an Andrew Cross marriage certificate from 1862 which could be the parents of my great grandmother, Annie Steel Cross.

Unfortunately, i can't read the certificate very well. However, the name written down as Andrew's father appears to be William? Cross....possibly the William Cross carver & gilder of Glasgow. 

BB

[rosie99]

@rosie99

Thank you for the quick response!

Yes, i have an Andrew Cross marriage certificate from 1862 which could be the parents of my great grandmother, Annie Steel Cross.

Why do you doubt that it may not be the correct certificate, does the mothers name match that on Ann's birth certificate.

What occupation is given for 'father William' on Andrews marriage

[Brownbaker]

Reading the marriage certificate is quite difficult, because the writing is so faded...

Andrew's wifes' maiden name appears however to look like Mary Thomson (the name on my great grandmothers' birth certificate) and his fathers name appears to be William, with occupation carver gilder - so I'm assuming this could be my great great grandparents.

I thought having more information about William Cross & Son. - the identities would help determine if Andrew Cross of West Kilbride?(difficult to read again) was in fact related to William Cross carver & gilder of Glasgow. 

[MonicaL]

This is the Cross family in the 1861 census:

William Cross 51 carver and gilder, b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Ann Cross 48 b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Ameen Cross 19...son (could this be Andrew mistranscribed?) carver and gilder, b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Agnes Cross 17 , b. Paisley, renfrewsh
Robert Cross 9 b. Glasgow
George Cross 3 b. Glasgow
Jane Aithra 13 servant

Address: 120 New City Road Glasgow/Milton

The address matches that showing on a directory https://sculpture.gla.ac.uk/view/organization.php?id=msib6_1225725271

The original image of this census on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk will let you confirm the details of this transcript above.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Your great grandmother, Ann Steel Cross. The names seems to connect well to this Cross family.

Andrew's details to these parents show on the Family Search index as:

birth: 21 November 1841
christening: 5 December 1841
OAKSHAW EAST ASSOCIATE CONGREGATION, PAISLEY, RENFREW
Parents Wiliam Cross and Ann Wilson

Just before Andrew's birth, their daughter Ann Steel Cross was born:

birth: 18 April 1840
christening: 3 May 1840
OAKSHAW EAST ASSOCIATE CONGREGATION, PAISLEY, RENFREW

Agnes Cross born in 1843, same location/parents.

Son George shows as:

George Spence Cross
Birth Date    21 Jan 1858
Birthplace    MILTON,GLASGOW,LANARK

Monica

[MonicaL]

The family in 1851:

Willm Cross 39 Carver & Gilder Of 4 Men 2 App
Ann Cross 36
Andrew Cross 9
Agness Cross 7
Willim Cross 1
Andrew Clark 18 lodger
Mary Lamond 15 servant

Address: 27 Finlay St Barony

Monica

[MonicaL]

Wondering what happened with Andrew, wife Mary Thomson and daughter Ann in the 1871 census.

This may help to firm up the correct family line. I think your Ann is showing with her grandmother Ann Cross/Wilson in the 1881 census:

Ann Cross 65 Restaurant Keeper b. Paisley, Renfrewshire
Robt Cross 28 clerk b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Annie Cross 15 grandchild Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Andw Cross 8 b. England (a brother to Ann, son to Andrew and Mary?)
Agnes Couper Or Trotter 40 visitor
Jeannie Loudon 20 servant
Alex Baillie 32 lodger

Address: 428 Parliamentary Rd. Glasgow/ St Rollox

Grandfather William I think died in 1863:

William Cross, 52 died in Milton/Glasgow 1863. Mother's maiden name showing as Galbraith. Refs 644/7 473.
   
Monica