Thomas Brown

[dutch missmarple]

Hi all,

searching for Thomas Brown, born about 1847 in Belfast.
He married Emma Adsley (Adsley). She was born 1853 in Elham, Kent, England.
Would like to know if Thomas was indeed born about 1847 in Belfast and who his parents were.
Did he marry Emma in Ireland ? If yes when and where ?

They had at least one child: Thomas Adsley Brown, born 1875, Rochester, Kent England.


thank you

Dutch MissMarple

[aghadowey]

Thomas was born long before civil registration of births so it's a matter of searching for a possible baptism. However, not all church records for that period survive and of those that do not all are online. In addition, there are lots of churches in Belfast and vicinity of various denominations.

Registration of Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so if they married in Ireland there should be a record. However, since Emma was born in Kent and they lived there by 1875 it's probably more likely a marriage took place in England. If so, Thomas' father's name and occupation should be listed. Have you searched in England for their marriage yet?

[jonwarrn]

Is this the family in Chatham in 1891? Thomas Brown born Ireland, Emma born Kent.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV7K-C3Z

Getting Smith for the mother's maiden name for the children born in England (possibly including Thomas Brown, Sep 1875, Medway)
Possible(!) marriage in the same quarter, Sep 75, Medway 2a 731, Thomas Brown + Sarah Emma Smith
Had Thomas senior been in the army?
Or is the wrong family? Need more info.

[jonwarrn]

There's a Thomas Adsley Brown later...
BROWN, THOMAS  ADSLEY WILSON    
mother's maiden surname WILSON 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in STROOD  Volume 02A  Page 661

[jonwarrn]

Dec 1900 Strood 2a 1122
Brown, Thomas Adsby
Wilson, Kate Eleanor

Free index to 1911. Thomas Brown, 36, born Rochester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDX-24B

[jonwarrn]

Possible(!) marriage in the same quarter, Sep 75, Medway 2a 731, Thomas Brown + Sarah Emma Smith
Had Thomas senior been in the army?

That marriage was at St John Chatham, 22 September 1875
Thomas Brown, Full, Bachelor, Lance Serj. 60 Rifles (??), Chatham Barracks, father Michael Brown, Laborer
+
Sarah Emma Smith, Full, Spinster, Brook Chatham, father William Smith, Laborer

[jonwarrn]

Don't forget to look and see if Thomas Brown can be found in the army pension records (class WO 97)

[jonwarrn]

Dec 1900 Strood 2a 1122
Brown, Thomas Adsby
Wilson, Kate Eleanor

Free index to 1911. Thomas Brown, 36, born Rochester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDX-24B

The marriage was at Higham, 26 Dec 1900
Thomas Adsley (not Adsby!) Brown, 28, bachelor, Gardener, father Joseph Brown, Bailiff
+
Kate Eleanor Wilson, 21, spinster, father Robert Wilson, Plate Layer
Residence for both Higham.
The Wilson family were out in force as witnesses.

So now I am totally confused.
Meanwhile, Thomas senior from Ireland, and Thomas junior still in Chatham in 1901 (all one family, but in two parts on FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-R9B
and
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-RS9

[jonwarrn]

Well there was an Emma Adsley b 1853, Elham
But did she marry Mr Swain?
June 1873 Elham 2a 1356b
Hasley, Emma       
Swain, Stephen Edward       

Here they are in 1881, living in Barham in Kent. Emma 28, born Elham.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-FVXB

Birth of Richard
Sep 1874 Elham 2a 895
Swaine, Richard Ingram
mother Hadsley

and Emily
Sep 1878 Elham 2a 987
Swaine, Emily
mother Hadsley