Any details - George Francis Smith 1842? - 1901

[Jamjar]

3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but there is a photograph of the headstone here:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190888903

It does say that the older headstone (George's) is too weathered to read.

No wonder folk have trouble sorting their trees. 

“Paddington, Brisbane City, Queensland, Australia”

Jamjar

[majm]

   

AGH .... a Geo Smith at Waterloo Sydney NSW 1875 ..  I have found mention in my offline resources notes .... I have phoned a rellie to check their research ...

JM

[Jamjar]

3. I walked Waverley cemetery for ages trying to find a headstone for George Francis that corresponded to the plot number given by the cemetery and I couldn't find it. I would be really keen to see the headstone you found.

I've been looking at the disc and those either side of them may assist you in finding the grave:

PEARCE's

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FULLWOOD Sarah Ann
PARRY George

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The SMITH's

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BRADLEY'S Edgar William, Leonard R., Charles F

BARNES H G (This is a military one.  He was a Lt. Corp.)

LANG's

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

I have found and visited the graves of almost everyone of my direct ancestors except for George and Elizabeth Barnes  and William Partridge (maybe died 1843)and Margaret Stafford (died about 1840) all of whose death certificates I can't find so I don't even know yet where to look.

1057/1843 V18431057 27B PARTRIDGE William AGE 34

Inquest for William, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12414271

This is the only Margaret STAFFORD I see between 1830 and 1860

553/1860  STAFFORD Margaret AGE 62 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY

You may like to start new threads on the Barnes' and your Margaret, with as much detail as possible.

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

15895/1949 SMITH Walter Ernest parents GEORGE FRANCIS and MARY ANN PADDINGTON

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18135909

His first wife’s death: 13457/1925 SMITH ALICE M parents TOM and JESSIE WAVERLEY

In Memoriam for Alice Maud: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16315546

At Rookwood:

Anglican Section 7 Row 53 Grave 3545

SMITH Alice Maude 07 Aug 1925 38 - Our mother
SMITH Walter Ernest 13 Sep 1949 72 - Our father

Birth of Alice Maude: HARLOW Alice M parents THOMAS and JESSIE BOURKE

Marriage of Walter and Alice: 2605/1902 SMITH Walter E to HARLOW Alice YOUNG

Children of Walter and Alice:

1903-1920 Walter Ernest - Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16878861

1905-1982 William Henry Thomas
Marriage: 14609/1927 SMITH William H T to BARTLETT Mabel WINGHAM
Deaths: SMITH William Henry Thomas Other 7-11-1982 Death 76 late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 8-11-1982
SMITH William Henry Thomas Obituary 7-11-1982 Death 77 late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 24-11-1982   
SMITH William Henry Thomas Probate notice 28-10-1983 Publication late of Telegraph Point Port Macquarie News 28-10-1983

He appears to be at Port Macquarie Cemetery with wife Mabel, but the headstone has the wrong year on it:
Smith William H T 1907? 7 Nov 1983 76 h/Mabel Port Macquarie NSW Ang
Smith (Bartlett) Mabel 1909? 21 Dec 1987 78 w/William H T
http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=8487364#images

The only death that comes up for Mabel, when I search 21-12-1987 is the following. May be it wasn’t registered until January 1988:
100623/1988SMITH Mabel parents MARK and SARAH BLANCHE


1908 Alice L M
Marriage: 10934/1925 WARREN William F to SMITH Alice L M WOOLLAHRA


1912-16 June 1976 Norman Alexander - Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article220193185
Marriage: 6225/1936 SMITH Norman Alexander to PAINE Eileen Elizabeth GRANVILLE
Death: SMITH Norman Alexander Death notice 16-6-1976 Death 64 late of Earlwood Sydney Morning Herald 18-6-1976


1915-1974 George William
Marriage: 13569/1941 SMITH George William to FARQUHAR Emily Esther WOOLLAHRA
Death and funeral: First page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19740208&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

At Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
Court of Memories Columbarium, Niche Wall E
George William Smith 5-2-1974 29-3-1974 Ashes

Possible for wife:
Memory Lane Walls, Wall B, Position 128
Emily Esther Smith 9-9-1996 14-10-1997 Ashes (something odd about those dates)


One female possibly born after 1918 so can't list.


Birth and possible death of Walter's second wife:

14749/1877 SOWTER Ada L parents FRANCIS and MARY J MAITLAND

16515/1954 SMITH Ada Lucy parents FRANK and MARY JANE SYDNEY

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

10982/1906 BAMFORD Francis to SMITH Ruby E A REDFERN
3190/1927 BAMFORD Ruby E A parents GEORGE F and MARY PADDINGTON
Funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16350439


11689/1889 BAMFORD FRANCIS parents FREDERICK and JOHANNA NEWTOWN
26849/1957 BAMFORD FRANCIS parents FREDERICK and JOHANNA SYDNEY
BAMFORD   Francis Death notice 17-10-1957   Death 85 late of Redfern Sydney Morning Herald 18-10-1957 (if this is his notice then the age is well out).

At Rookwood buried with husband, daughters and son-in-law PETRIE, William James.

Catholic Mortuary 2 Section 9 Row 16 Graves 2588, 2589
BAMFORD Ruby Emily 27 Jan 1927 36 - Our mother
BAMFORD Francis 17 Oct 1957 67 - Father  (age should be 76)
BOWEN Doris Eileen 26 Apr 1977 66 - My wife
PETRIE William James 16 Sep 1986 82
PETRIE Grace Amelia 8 May 1991 84   

Children of Ruby and Francis:

31210/1906 BAMFORD Grace A
Marriage: 17959/1937 PETRIE William James to BAMFORD Grace Amelia REDFERN
Deaths: PETRIE Grace Amelia Death notice 5-5-1991 Death late of Marrickville Sydney Morning Herald 7-5-1991   
21228/1986 PETRIE William James parents ROBERT and ANNIE
PETRIE William James Death notice 16-9-1986 Death late of Marrickville Sydney Morning Herald 17-9-1986   
Type 41 in little, white box, or scroll across to page 40: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19860917&printsec=frontpage&hl=en


29047/1908 BAMFORD Herbert F
Marriage: 12023/1932 BAMFORD Herbert F to BURGESS Helen K ST PETERS
Deaths: BAMFORD Herbert Francis Death notice 30-1-1996 Death 87 late of Caringbah, formerly of Rosebery Sydney Morning Herald 1-2-1996   
13115/1984 BAMFORD Helen Maude parents WALTER and MARY
BAMFORD Helen Maude Death notice 13-6-1984 Death late of Rosebery Sydney Morning Herald 14-6-1984   
Type 22 in little, white box or scroll to page 21: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19840614&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

At Woronora Cemetery:
Helen Maude Bamford 13-6-1984 Ashes Kk - Rose Garden 8 - 0116
Herbert Francis Bamford 30-1-1996 1-10-1996 Ashes Kk - Rose Garden 8 - 0118


10755/1911 BAMFORD Doris E
Marriage:1160/1959 BOWEN William Henry to BAMFORD Doris Eileen SYDNEY
Deaths: 9466/1977 BOWEN Doris Eileen
BOWEN Doris Eileen Death notice 26-4-1977 Death 66 late of Chippendale Sydney Morning Herald 27-4-1977   
First page: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19770428&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
16595/1980 BOWEN William Henry parents WILLIAM and SARAH
BOWEN William Henry Death notice 19-7-1980 Death 71 late of Chippendale Sydney Morning Herald 21-7-1980   
Type 12 in little, white box or scroll to page 18: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19800721&printsec=frontpage&hl=en


40896/1913 BAMFORD George J
Marriage: 17944/1937 BAMFORD George Joseph to KELLY Elsie REDFERN
Likely deaths as wife is known as 'Dolly' in notices of other family members: BAMFORD George Joseph Death notice 11-2-1994 Death 79 late of Toukley, formerly of Redfern Sydney Morning Herald 14-2-1994   
BAMFORD Elsie (Dolly) Death notice 27-9-1989 Death 75 late of Toukley, formerly of Redfern and Waterloo Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 28-9-1989   

Jamjar



 

[majm]

   

AGH .... a Geo Smith at Waterloo Sydney NSW 1875 ..  I have found mention in my offline resources notes .... I have phoned a rellie to check their research ...

JM

Right, the Geo SMITH I found at Waterloo is not related to Mary Ann HAM, but my rellie has a number of files for George SMITH in NSW in 1870s and is getting them out to go through ... yes, with SMITH in NSW you do collect a number of wallpaper bdms ...   

JM

[Mira]

Hi all,
A thousand apologies for saying I hadn't found George Francis Smith's grave. All I can say is that it was late at night!!!! I am the person who posted on Find A Grave. Many thanks to those who have posted, especially Jamjar.

I have spent the time since I last posted doing more research and as all his children had triple middle names I think he was born George Richard Francis Smith and after he married he dropped the Richard so I researched George Francis and George Richard.

On the other hand reading the suggestion that he jumped ship or was previously married and not divorced or widowed maybe he was born George Francis or George Francis Richard and used the Richard to disguise himself for the marriage and then reverted to George Francis. If he was trying to disguise himself he may not have been a mariner?

Florence Glencora Rose’s birth certificate says he was 52 years old on 25 March 1895, was a labourer and was born in London. So that places his birth after 25 March and before 31 July 1843.

His death certificate says he was born in London, was aged 58 years and had been in the colony for 27 years and was 31 years old when he married in July 1873 and died on 11 January 1901. So he was probably born between 11 January and 31 July 1843.

Am still putting together what I have found.

[judb]

There are a couple of possibles, each registered as George Richard SMITH (no Francis)and both registered 1842, born in London.  However it seems a bit of a long shot to me.

George Richard SMITH,
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep, 1842
Registration district:   Lambeth

(I think my maths is right  - maybe not!)  This man would have turned 52 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1894 so would still have been 52 possibly until June 1895, (Florence's birth)
turned 31 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1873 so still may still be 31 in July 1873 (marriage)
turned 58 in Jul/Aug/Sep of 1900 so still be 58 in January 1901 (death)

George Richard SMITH, 1842, Oct-Nov-Dec qr
Registration district:   Islington
(Similar ages to above)

Sorry if you already have a marriage cert but if not perhaps it would be worth getting the certificate for the marriage mentioned by Jamjar in Reply #4

767/1873 SMITH George Richard to HANE Mary Ann SYDNEY

Edit to add: see next post; sorry couldn't remember that Debra had found it.  Thanks, JM

Judith