John Allard

[Ladyhawk]

Name:   John Henry Allard
Year:   1925
Ward or Division/Constituency:   Sparkbrook
Street address:   43 Ladypool Road
Residence Place:   Birmingham
Also at the same address are Mary Ann & Henry

Could this be John’s father

Henry Allard   55 Carpenter
Louisa Allard   49
William Allard   26
Clara Allard   22
HENRY Allard   20 occ Painter
Catherine Allard   12
Emma Allard   7
Sarah Tustam 69 wife’s mo
Sarah Tustam   46 wife’s sis
1861 RG 9; Piece: 2123; Folio: 60; Page: 61

Could this be John’s parents and sister

Henry Allard   28 Birmingham occ Grainer
Mary A Allard   29 Coleshill
Annie Allard   2 Months
All born Birmingham
1871 RG10; Piece: 3103; Folio: 39; Page: 11;

ALLARD, ANNIE   mmn ORAM   
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 108      

There’s also this birth with same mmn

ALLARD, HARRY   mmn ORAM   
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 81   

Death entry

Henry Allard age 36
1880 Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume:   6d Page:   77

ADDED
there’s also this Henry occ painter & grainer

1861 RG 9; Piece: 2172; Folio: 134; Page: 37
Joseph Allard   45
Lydia Allard   48
William Allard   24
Mary A Allard   22
HENRY Allard   19 Birmingham occ  painter & grainer
Jane E Allard   16
Harriet E Allard   13

Henry Allard
Baptism 14 Aug 1842 St John,Deritend and Bordesley,Warwick
Father:   Joseph Allard
Mother:   Lydia

Possible death Annie Allard dau of Henry & Mary Ann

Annie Allard age 3
Mar 1873   Birmingham Volume:   6d Page:   66

[Richview]

Good Morning,

Yes Ladypool Road is on his death certificate and mentioned in the newspapers, 1893 - 1911 he lived at Belgrave Road Balsall Heath ( no trace of the family 1901 census)

It's a difficult family John Sr married Mary Ann O'Hara 1893 within weeks he appears in the newspapers and that continues until the 1920's. He had 2 sons William born 1899 who was a petty criminal also used various names and Henry born 1902 who was aka John. Henry appears on the 1939  living at Ladypool Road with a wife and 2 children - no trace of marriage or the sons birth, he  much later married a widow.

Based on a few army documents 1891 John Sr was a caster - no next of kin - place of birth Birmingham age 18 yrs and 7 months , marriage cert he was living at the same address as his bride Floodgate Street father is Henry Allard Painter marriage was witnessed by assumed a friend and a young girl who lived with the O'Hara family.

I did wonder about Harry Allard born 1873 but can find no census for 1881 for his widowed mother or himself. Knowing his criminal past I'm starting to wonder if one of the alias names was his real name.

R



 

[High hall]

Hi, am new to roots chat, found your post whilst browsing. I am a direct descendant of John Allard  and his son William. I knew something about their past but recent revelations have been an eye opener.I can fill in some of the blanks and would be interested in newspaper reports etc following their careers !

[Richview]

Hi,

Yes it is an eye-opener widely documented, I assume you are aware of the murder/manslaughter trial re John Allard?

R

[High hall]

Hi, yes I have read some details of what happened it came to light when the Peaky Blinders series was televised. I knew the Allards were Bookies/Runners from family info but not the scale of involvement.

[Richview]

I was asked to research the Allard family for a friend, John Allard had a very long list of convictions for violence and then came the manslaughter trial. His son also appeared in court on numerous occasions. It is quite an easy family to follow the court records are freely available and using the death certificates for father and son their addresses link.

Richview

[High hall]

Hi, I have a birth certificate for John which I am almost certain is the right one. He was born 07/06/1873 11 Court, Hope St, Birmingham name on Birth Cert is Harry, Father given as Henry occupation Grainer. Mother Harriet Allard formerly Oram. According to family info told to me some years ago he was brought up by maiden aunts and lived off Broad Street, these were probably the ones mentioned in earlier posts, Mary, Jane and Harriet. His father Henry seems to have died but cannot find any trace of his Mother, also are Mary Ann Oram and Harriet Oram one and the same ? This is confusing. I'm not sure his parents ever married. He worked with his Father in Law, one Patrick O'Hara, that is how he met his wife Mary K/A Polly and apparantly would visit Ireland as his wifes family were something to do with horses !!

[Richview]

Hi,

John was 22 at marriage occupation caster, he married Mary Ann O'Hara 16th April 1893 so a birth 1870/1871. This birth would also match his Army papers. He states his father was Henry a painter an occupation John follows later.

Obviously he is difficult to follow on the census records due to his criminal activity, his first court appearance was a month after he married Mary.

I did follow the "Harry" family initially and totally ruled them out.

R

[High hall]

Good Afternoon, it is a bit of a mystery, Henry Allard born 1842 is shown as a painter/grainer and seems to match both Harry and John. Did 'John' Allard lie about his age to join the army and did he also lie to marry as I understand you had to be over 21 to marry without permission from a parent or had he in fact used someone else's identity. Harry Allard, Mary Ann Oram/Allard and Harriet Oram/Allard seem to have disappeared altogether. I did find a death for a Harriet Oram whose age could have been the one on Harry's birth cert. She died in All Saints asylum Birmingham 1907, this would explain why Johns parents were not around and would support the story that he was looked after by maiden Aunts or was he using someone else's story
I would be grateful if you could advise me as to how I go about accessing the newspaper and court records.
n.b John's son Henry was always known as Harry.