HELP - Callaghan Family, Ireland (Edward, Catherine, Mary, John and Ellen)

[samalexander]

I believe Catherine's surname to be Boyle rather than Bayle (info. on marriage from Helen herself) & McClarty to be an error?

Could McLarty be the ms of Catherine's mother?

Annie

That’s definitely a possibility, What makes you think that?

[Rosinish]

There were/are different reasons for errors & especially on a DC.

I have a family, illiterate (possibly assumed through only speaking gaelic) as your Callaghans may have been ? which seemed to cause many errors through the language barrier as none spoke English & info. was taken by people speaking English.

I have 5 sons in a family born to my 3 x g g/parents who on their (sons) deaths their mother has 3 m/surnames
4 deaths were recorded by sons/daughters (g/children of mother), only 2 have it correct!
1 death recorded by an 'inmate' (actually an in-law)

1 of those deaths has him as 'widower' of...(mothers name with a different ms)...
Parents were father named correctly, mother...named as the wife (who was previously deceased), him being a 'widower'

I was able to ascertain different things to conclude those were the correct people/deaths through various other routes comparing ages/dates/names of wives/children (informants)/census' etc.

1 of the m/surnames given for my 3 x g g/mother on 2 occasions may be an indication of her own mothers' ms?

Depending on questions being asked, how they are/were asked can determine the reply which may not always be correct as we all perceive things differently with how things are worded & moreso if in a language one has little knowledge of.

Something else to consider is, in days gone by, many women who were widowed reverted back to their m/surname i.e. if g/mother was known (as a widow) by her ms it may have been assumed this was in fact her marital surname i.e. would be assumed the daughters' ms (in this case Catherine) was the same as her widowed mother was known as in latter yrs?

Who was the informant of Helen's death, did they sign or was it their 'mark x' ?

Annie

[heywood]

I can only view a transcript of 1851 census but in the list of people there are two Boyles - John 26yrs and Neil 15yrs both transcribed as ’mother’.

Has anyone seen the census page re these two people?

[Rosinish]

I can only view a transcript of 1851 census but in the list of people there are two Boyles - John 26yrs and Neil 15yrs both transcribed as ’mother’.

Has anyone seen the census page re these two people?

Indeed Heywood, I downloaded it last night to check relationships/ages etc. as they were very conflicting on Fancestry & SP although I only had a quick look, from memory I think they were g/children?

Annie

[Rosinish]

From a personal point of view, I don't see a reason for SS not downloading more info. on the siblings of Agnes to find out what is on their certs?

If Agnes had been an only child then it would be understandable to try & get to the root of things with conflicting evidence but there's other avenues (my own example above included) which can be explored.

Further census records too, to see if they give a specific PoB in Ireland?

Annie

[samalexander]

From a personal point of view, I don't see a reason for SS not downloading more info. on the siblings of Agnes to find out what is on their certs?

If Agnes had been an only child then it would be understandable to try & get to the root of things with conflicting evidence but there's other avenues (my own example above included) which can be explored.

Further census records too, to see if they give a specific PoB in Ireland?

Annie

I plan on obtaining more information by going to ScotlandsPeople, due to the errors of the names it gets very pricey if you don’t know exactly what record you are looking for as you end up downloading records that are no connection to the family you are looking for so I plan to visit SP soon and get all the information on Agnes’ siblings then.

[Rosinish]

Who were the witnesses to Helens' marriage, any clues there?

Annie

[samalexander]

Who were the witnesses to Helens' marriage, any clues there?

Annie

Darby Marley and Bridget Marley (connections to Helen/Ellen’s husband -Peter Marley) and on Helen/Ellen’s death record it is her son Peter Marley who signed.

[Rosinish]

SS, can you recall where Peter Marley (Snr) was born?

Just wondering if Peter (Jnr) has mixed up the parentage m/surname?

Annie