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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 27 September 18 10:56 BST (UK) »
James Dalglish age 44 (1837) born Campsie, his wife Isabella and  children are at  72 Millburn St. Dennistoun on the 1881 census. I suspect he died in 1890.

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 27 September 18 21:48 BST (UK) »
I always say...elimination is as good as confirmation  :P

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 September 18 22:34 BST (UK) »
Ed, can I ask a question? In the absence of James' death cert to let you confirm his parents' names, why do you think the 1815 entry in Inveresk is his?

He shows as born in the county of Selkirkshire in 1841:

James Dalglish 25 mason
Katherine Dalglish 24,  born outside of county
James Dalglish 3
Walter Dalglish 1

Address: Kirkhope, Yarrow

In 1851, with his growing family in Ancrum, he still shows as born in Yarrow. Colin also mentions the other later censuses show Yarrow as his birth place.

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #21 on: Friday 28 September 18 22:45 BST (UK) »
Staying in Yarrow, there is this possible entry for example:

James Dalgliesh
Christening YARROW, SELKIRK, SCOTLAND
Birth 11 Sep 1812 Yarrow, Selkirk
James Dalgliesh and Eliza Laidlaw

James was name of his first born son wasn't it? Next son called Walter after Catherine's father likely.

A number of children showing for this couple in Yarrow:

Adam 1805
Margaret 1807
David 1808
Eliza 1810
James 1812
Elizabeth 1815

From Family Search, parents' marriage or banns show in Yarrow in 1803 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY79-9YW

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #22 on: Friday 28 September 18 22:58 BST (UK) »
In the 1841 census in Yarrow area, Adam b. 1805 also shows as a mason as your James did in 1841.
Not conclusive!

However, some family trees online have claimed this James b.1812 as part of their family and have him moving and dying in Canada.

As you are trying to do, it is down to finding James' death reg for now and hoping informant knew his parents' names.... :-\

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #23 on: Friday 28 September 18 23:17 BST (UK) »
Unless there are a number of James Dalgleishes born in Inveresk in the time frame you are looking at, this may be the James for whom you found an entry for from Inveresk on the 1891 census:

James Dalgleish 75 retired army b. Inveresk
Agnes Dowie 69 cousin b. Corstophine Midlothian
Joan Russell 16 servant

Address: 42 Leamington Ter, Newington Midlothian

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 29 September 18 03:58 BST (UK) »
Good analysing Monica (as usual)!  :)

Changes things a bit as Ed will need to check all those 'Wrong James' death entries again to see if one has James Dalgliesh and Eliza Laidlaw as parents.

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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 30 September 18 13:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks for continuing to look at this for me. Every suggestion is helpful.

I had considered the possibility that he may have gone to the 'States and lived with son David or son James. Also, that he may have gone to England to stay with daughter Barbara or son John but all my research to-date has found no evidence of this, census etc. Also, he was 70 at the time of his wife's death and it does not seem likely to me, that he would give up all he knows and move from Scotland but anything is possible. His son Walter remained in Scotland but again, I can find no links via census etc. There is another son, Charles but he disappears from the radar after 1871 and despite much research, I cannot find his whereabouts but that is another route I suppose.  It really is the biggest Dalgleish mystery for me! The death certificate of son James (d 1893) may provide a clue but I can only get this by sending a cheque for $40 to the US as its not available on line. Plus there is no guarantee that his father is mentioned on the certificate.

For example, daughter Barbara died in England in 1886 but there is no mention of parents on the death certificate (see attached). That's a real shame because that may have given a great clue.

I know he died before 1905 as he is marked as deceased on son Walter's death certificate. That's the only hard evidence I have. Apart from Barbara and James (don't know about Charles) all the others died after 1905.




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Re: James Dalgleish Dalserf Lanarkshire
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 30 September 18 17:12 BST (UK) »
I know he died before 1905 as he is marked as deceased on son Walter's death certificate. That's the only hard evidence I have. Apart from Barbara and James (don't know about Charles) all the others died after 1905.

This was all dependant on the knowledge of the informant of Walters' death i.e. maybe not known (for sure) & possibly assummed as we don't know the circumstances of things etc!
Just thinking of different scenarios as it did/does happen.

Who was the informant?

Edit...Of course it's more likely true (even if not known for sure) going by James' age/yob.
I was just pointing out how things can be wrong on deaths e.g. ages/parents/maiden name etc.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"