Queens Hotel, Upper Norwood

[Keziah2]

The Norfolk was owned by Arthur Flatman sir so the assumption is it is his son managing it.

K

[ShaunJ]

The 1899 ads clearly state that the Norfolk was managed by Arthur Flatman and the Tudor by Arthur FC Flatman.

The Tudor (87 Oxford Street) was just a few doors away from 97 Oxford Street - known variously as the Palm Club, "The Sinhala" and the West End Supper Club, where Arthur junior kept a "common, ill-governed and disorderly house" for which he was imprisoned for 4 months in 1901.

[Keziah2]

Thanks Shaun

Where did you get the bit about Arthur Jnr from please?  He was imprisoned in 1916 & 1918 as well & I knew there had been a prison sentence (you quote 4 months) in 1901 but I don't know exactly what for.

many thanks
K

[ShaunJ]

The 1901 prison sentence information is taken from contemporary newspaper reports (re Arthur Flatman) and confirmed by records concerning the 1913 conviction which note the prior conviction in 1901.

Apart from those convictions he was also given 18 months for larceny at Dover Sessions in July 1923.  There are newspaper reports of a further conviction in 1925 for attempting to break into the flat of Miss Edith Kemp, actress, and mentions of involvement in an attempted £50,000 card sharping fraud.

Bankruptcy in 1943 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36064/page/2841/data.pdf

[Keziah2]

Brilliant - grateful thanks.  We knew he was trouble we didnt know to what extent.  One of the reports I have seen says there were offences in other parts of the country.

K