Ancestry tree rubbish

[IgorStrav]

Can't make very many helpful suggestions on your chart, Mark, but I love what you've done.

I have been working on my Pay (and connections) family tree today, and the marriages between families are amazing. 

I had two cousins called Arthur Cornwallis Neale and Arthur Maximilian Neale (they were the sons of brothers William and Henry Neale)

Arthur C's brother William Theophilius married (or rather seems to have run away with) Adeline Reynolds Tong, who was already married to Edward Tong, brother of Arthur M's wife Emma Jane Tong.

I could do with a diagram just like yours for that.  It was certainly helpful to have uncommon names....

Wicked old place, Canterbury, in the 19th Century 

[Top-of-the-hill]

   Ah, but the Tongs came from Dunkirk - now that was a lawless place in the 19th century. Think of The Battle of Bossenden Wood!

[coombs]

Hello All

On a serious note I messaged an Ancestry Tree researcher Sally-ann Jardine last week, whom I really hope will get in touch.

Ms Jardine lists GEORGE HOOD born Yorkshire 1786.

Also CLARK Scotland 1700 - 1900.

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My George Hood of Selby Yorkshire, born about 1786, purchased 4/5ths (Four Fifths) of the former premises of the late John Clark, Tanner of Selby, Yorkshire, England (offered For Sale in 1830).

Had a scan of John Clark's Will bundle (1764) specially scanned from the Borthwick some time ago and his five Daughters were all Co-heiresses (I now have about 100 non online Wills, scanned or copied).

Four of the descendants from the John Clark of Selby, Yorks Co-Heiresses have each sold their 1/5th shares to my George Hood of Selby and the 1831 property Registration even gives their Clark lineage from the late John Clark, through several Generations to each of the four sellers. Great if you are a Clark researcher!

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But words like "oil painting of Burns" etc., in a known HOOD Will (Proved 1942), don't mean too much yet.

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The Jardine researcher has an interest in Dumfriesshire.

I have been looking at the 1820s - 1840s HOODs of Drypool, Yorkshire, some of whom originated from Dumfries and who also had links to the Quakers as Non-Quakers at Drypool and Somercotes (near Hull), like my George Hood (a non-Quaker) who was buried by the Quakers at Selby, Yorkshire in 1845.

I am really hoping Ms Jardine gets in touch!

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Regarding Coombs earlier comment, the surviving Selby Poor Law records were found on a Selby rubbish tip in the 20th Century, once in Selby Abbey Library (seen them at the Borthwick, also available at the LDS Centre), mainly about collecting the Selby Poor Rate and a book of payments.

John Hood the Master Mariner (who paid a Mariners Pension, confirmed in the Trinity House Mariners 1780s records at Hull, not online) did not pay the Selby Poor Rate, nor did John Hood, Master Mariner, or my George Hood receive the Selby Church Dole.

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The only link I can make between John Hood, the Mariner (buried Selby April 1819 aged 82) and my George Hood (buried Selby September 1845, aged 60, who looks to be in his 60th year), is that the descendants of both those HOODs married into the same GRUBB descendants, from a common GRUBB ancestor.

Thread I'd Be Most Interested in Family Historian Comments re Tree Diagram?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.0

Make sure you open the whole line diagram please, if interested in taking a peek.

Mark

I have had a look at the tree, and it is interesting about how descendants of the Hood families married into the Grubb 2nd/3rd cousins. If John Hood was 82 when he died in 1819 he was born c1737. So he was about 50 when George was born. But you say you cannot find any link between John and George.

Did your George who died in 1845 leave a will? If so was it just wife and children listed?

[BushInn1746]

Thanks Igor

I can't stick much to the ancestry of [Teflon  ] George Hood, who married Selby, Yorkshire 1815, aged 28 years.


However, we can prove using Selby Parish documents that John Hood, Master Mariner and his daughter Maudland Hood were both from Scarborough (see also Birth of Mordland Turner's 1st child 1795). John Hood's Birthplace of Scarborough and Abode Selby was also confirmed in Trinity House, Hull Muster Rolls and John Hood had his Scarborough children baptised C of E.

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Rather interesting that an Ancestry Tree has incorrectly linked Maudland Hood baptised Scarborough, Yorks, who married Charles Turner at Selby 1794, directly to John Hood, who died at Knottingley, against the Selby Parish evidence!!

Mark

[BushInn1746]

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John Hood the Master Mariner (who paid a Mariners Pension, confirmed in the Trinity House Mariners 1780s records at Hull, not online) did not pay the Selby Poor Rate, nor did John Hood, Master Mariner, or my George Hood receive the Selby Church Dole.

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The only link I can make between John Hood, the Mariner (buried Selby April 1819 aged 82) and my George Hood (buried Selby September 1845, aged 60, who looks to be in his 60th year), is that the descendants of both those HOODs married into the same GRUBB descendants, from a common GRUBB ancestor.

Thread I'd Be Most Interested in Family Historian Comments re Tree Diagram?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.0

Make sure you open the whole line diagram please, if interested in taking a peek.

Mark

I have had a look at the tree, and it is interesting about how descendants of the Hood families married into the Grubb 2nd/3rd cousins. If John Hood was 82 when he died in 1819 he was born c1737. So he was about 50 when George was born. But you say you cannot find any link between John and George.

Did your George who died in 1845 leave a will? If so was it just wife and children listed?

Hello Coombs and All

The GRUBB link is very interesting to the two Hoods of Selby (who have no proven link).

No Baptism for George Hood of Yorkshire, mid 1780s.


George Hood of Selby, took over the business of Richard Gibson of Selby about 1812. Richard Gibson, Cooper of Selby a former Bankrupt (Commissioners file not saved) was from Newcastle upon Tyne. An Elisabeth Gibson married another John Hood, Mariner in 1779 at Newcastle All S'ts and living at Newcastle 1781.

Muster Rolls 1779-83 (TNA, BT 98/129 -131) didn't list John Hood, Mariner, but if it could be proven that John Hood Abode Newcastle (1781) & Shire Moor (Tynemouth 1783) was also born Scarborough, it may strengthen the unproven theory George Hood of Selby to Scarborough link, if Richard Gibson and the Elizabeth Gibson (marrying John Hood) were related.


The only link between John Hood, Master Mariner (buried Selby 1819, 82yrs) and George Hood (buried Selby 1845, 60yrs) is the Selby, Yorkshire place.

Jane Hood, the Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, buried Selby 15th August 1803, aged 65 years is a mystery. No Gravestones (at Selby). No M.I. and no online Newspaper Notices for John Hood or Jane.

No link mentioned between Maudland Turner (nee Hood) and George Hood either.

George Hood's 1846 Probate bundle only links to his Wife/Widow and his own Children.

No 1845 Quaker Gravestone, also no Quaker Stones (No M.I.) when Yorks Arch. Service and later we visited.

The 1845 Quaker Register confirms George Hood's age, date of death, date of Burial, name of Sexton and signed Andrew Turton. There was also a Turton, Joiner, of Selby. Jonathan Hutchinson (possibly officiating) and at the bottom of George Hood's 'Burial Note' George was "Not in Membership."

Membership of the Quakers was refused in 1836 (York Meeting Minutes) for George Hood of Selby.

George Hood appointed an Arbitrator / Umpire in his Will, described as his good friend Jonathan Hutchinson. Likely Jonathan Hutchinson the Quaker Elder of Selby.

I have a scan of George Hood's 1846 Will/Probate entry Registered in the West Riding Property Register too. Only the known property at Gowthorpe and Wren Lane, Selby, Yorkshire, are specifically mentioned.

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Three of George Hood's Sons had Copyhold property at Byefield, Selby (in old documents I have), purchased from a relative of George Hood's Wife Sarah Russell.

George Hood of Selby purchased quite a few properties mainly in Ousegate, Selby, Yorkshire in 1838, which another Son William Hood held some in Trust for James Collinson (Widow was a Quaker - James Collinson's Will), these have not helped with George Hood's ancestry.

I have the 5 Leaves of the Chancery Case which forced the Ousegate, Selby, Yorkshire, property of the late Samuel Nicholson, Innkeeper & Bridget Nicholson of Rawcliffe Widow to come onto the market in 1838.

John Hood, Tanner of Selby, died 1860 and his full Probate entry scan from the Wakefield Register, mentions his Widow Sarah [nee Richardson] and Sons inheriting.

Mark

[IgorStrav]

   Ah, but the Tongs came from Dunkirk - now that was a lawless place in the 19th century. Think of The Battle of Bossenden Wood!

Goodness me, I'd never heard of that, now just googled!!!

I know that the situation of ag labs in Kent was very difficult in 19th Century....

[coombs]

Well I was at Suffolk RO in Lowestoft today and managed to find my ancestor Susan Whistlecraft baptised in 1730, daughter of Samuel and Mary (Nee Botwright). A whole new line to research. See, I do lots of old fashioned ways of researching, like all other Rootschatters.

BushInn1746, it is so vexing when you have a possible link but no verification. It will take time but I am sure you will one day get more info on your George Hood, what with more coming online as we speak.

[BushInn1746]

Hello All

On a serious note I messaged an Ancestry Tree researcher Sally-ann Jardine last week, whom I really hope will get in touch.

Ms Jardine lists GEORGE HOOD born Yorkshire 1786.

Also CLARK Scotland 1700 - 1900.

Hello

By being signed in to Ancestry and having Membership,  I can see Sally -ann Jardine's messages on another board to this.

It seems that the JARDINE link back to George Hood born Yorkshire 1786 is wrong.

1939 England
Bolton
Robert Jardine, born 16 February 1909
Cicely Jardine, born 24 January 1914

Cicely Jardine was Cicely Hood, before Marriage.

Baptisms 1914 Atherton, Lancashire (gives Birth date also)
Born 24 January 1914 / 21 April 1914 Cicely Hood, Parents Ralph Hood & Florence, Ralph Hood was a Collier [Coal Miner]

GRO gov.uk Index online and Above Baptism
Confirm the Parents of Cicely Hood were Ralph Hood and Florence Rothin.

Marriage 3rd January 1910
Looks to be Third day (St Peters Church copy been overwritten)
Ralph Hood, age 22, Bachelor, Coalminer, Residence Royal Oak Yard, Platts Common, Father Robert Hood (deceased), Coalminer.
Florence Rothin, age 19, Spinster, Royal Oak Yard, Platts Common, Father Charles Rothin, Coalminer.
Witnesses James Stephenson and Betsy Larkin.

1887 Baptism of Ralph Hood
To get back to George Hood 1786, Yorkshire, appears to rely on the fact of the 1887 Baptism of Ralph Hood, Son of George & Emma Hood, Abode Ferrybridge.

The 1910 Wedding says Father was Robert Hood.

However, that Ralph Hood born 1887 appears to have died aged 3 years in 1790 and if so, the link to George Hood born 1786 Yorkshire, does not appear to be made?

Comment
Emma Hood was Emma Smith before the Marriage in 1884 at Ferry Fryston.

George Hood, aged 19, born Knaresbro' and Emma Smith, aged 19, born Spofforth can be found together in the 1881 Census at Bilton Harrogate, in the Hamlet of Crimple, both Servants.

1891 Census
My suspicions regarding the death of Ralph Hood, baptised 1887 are further raised when George Hood aged 29, Labourer (Carter) born Knaresboro' is found on his own as a Widower in the 1891 Census at Ferrybridge, Ferryfryston, in the District of Pontefract (RG12/3757 page 2 Folio 57).


1911 Census
(Two sheets, one struck through and the HOODs are separated on to another 1911 Census Sheet from neighbour and relative James Stephenson (James Stephenson's Wife was a Rothin)

The Ralph Hood of interest in 1911 was born STAFFORDSHIRE.
Ralph Hood, No 3 Royal Oak Yard, Platts Common, Nr Barnsl [so the Platts Common matches the 1910 Marriage]
Ralph Hood, Head, 24, Married 2 years, 1 Children Born Alive, 1 Children still Living, Occupation Trammer in Coal Mine, Industry Coal Mining, Worker, Born Staffordshire [Harborn added], British.
Florence Hood, Wife, 20, Married 2 years, [child as above], Birthplace Platts Common, Yorkshire, British.
Charles Robert Hood, Son, 1, Birthplace Platts Common, Yorkshire, British.

Comment
Applying for the Death Certificate of Ralph Hood in 1890, District of Pontefract, aged 3, per GRO gov.uk Index should indicate that by using Ralph Hood baptised 1887 (who would have the wrong Father anyway - see Father in the 1910 Marriage), the link cannot be made to George Hood born Yorkshire 1786.

Incidentally, witness James Stephenson on the 1910 Marriage, married Alice Rothin in 1905 at St Peter's Church, Parish of Hoyland, Yorkshire and Stephenson's 1905 Residence links him to Platts Common. See also the 1911 Census for the Stephenson family where the HOODs (Ralph Hood, born STAFFORDSHIRE and Florence born Yorkshire) have been struck out.

Cicely Hood (Added)
According to the Census (BMD Certificates not seen and should be seen for confirmation) the above Cicely Hood, Hood line, apparently goes back to a John Hood, Baptism at Alton/Kingsley, Staffordshire.

Baptism 1814 at Alveton Staffordshire (Alton, or Alveton, Staffordshire according to the Vision of Britain and 1840 Parliamentary Papers), 1814 John Son of Joseph Hood & Mary, Abode Alveton, Staffordshire, Labourer.

Mark

[Mart 'n' Al]

This sort of problem with unresearched links is certainly not just restricted to family history. Last week I went to see a theatre production of Hedda Gabler. I read a summary of the plot on Wikipedia, and at the end there was a supposed link to the actress playing the title role but unfortunately the link was to an American anthropologist with the same name.

Martin