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Offline Rosinish

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #423 on: Friday 27 September 19 19:10 BST (UK) »
Cumberland and Westmorland no longer exist except as historical entities.
True.

But as almost all the records you need for family history were made before the abolition in 1975, you need to use the historic counties, not the trendy new boundaries.

Banff is in Banffshire. Not in Aberdeenshire. End of.

Apologies for being off original topic but...

Forfarian,

I was filling in a box on 23andme...
"Where were your ancestors born?"

When I typed in South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland it wasn't recognised
I tried South Uist, Outer Hebrides, Scotland & ditto

The forced location is Na h-Eileanan an Iar, Scotland, United Kingdom!

This is the more recent name which won't be on the documents of our ancestors for which the questionnaire relates to  ???

I'm actually annoyed I don't have the choice to tell people exactly where in the Western Isles my ancestors were born as it would make life so much easier all round.

23andme seem to know better than we do as it would be descendants who would be born under the modern name not ancestors  ::)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #424 on: Saturday 28 September 19 17:53 BST (UK) »

But as almost all the records you need for family history were made before the abolition in 1975, you need to use the historic counties, not the trendy new boundaries.

I believe that technically the new boundaries define administrative areas rather than 'real' counties.

Edward
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #425 on: Saturday 28 September 19 19:16 BST (UK) »
One time, Suffolk even stretched right up to the direct opposite side of the river to Great Yarmouth. On Pasteur Rd in GY there is an East Suffolk Tavern. Cobholm was once in Suffolk I think. South Yarmouth and much of Lothingland was handed over to Norfolk in 1974. I have distant ancestors from Hopton On Sea just outside Yarmouth, and use the historic county, like I do with my Berkshire ancestors who lived in parishes now in Oxon.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #426 on: Saturday 28 September 19 22:51 BST (UK) »
Some born in places historically called Town and County of ... or City and County of ... and in the 1841 Census, for Born in same County put N for No.

Because by 1841 they were now living just outside the historical Town and County ...  or City and County ...  Walls ;D

Places were administered by other Counties, e.g. the old Archdeaconry of Nottingham came under the Diocese of York  ::) and more like that.

The F.H. must be prepared to research the town / area / county / boundaries / place names / changes through time / religions, even being Taphophiles.

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #427 on: Sunday 29 September 19 08:21 BST (UK) »

But as almost all the records you need for family history were made before the abolition in 1975, you need to use the historic counties, not the trendy new boundaries.

I believe that technically the new boundaries define administrative areas rather than 'real' counties.

Edward

Note that the LGA 1972 did not do anything to the historic Counties of Britain. It only abolished the administrative counties and county boroughs. The Government was (and still is) happy to confirm that the Counties themselves were unaffected: "The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of Counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."(DoE Statement, 1st April 1974).
It is usually recommended that for Local & Family History, the Historic Counties are used, as confusion can arise by trying to keep up with all the changes to Administrative Areas, although I am sure other people won't agree.
The UK is said to have more administrative boundary changes per year than the rest of the European Union put together. See http://www.gazetteer.org.uk/notes.php
Stan
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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #428 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:22 GMT (UK) »
I just had to post this snip, seen loads of funnies recently but this is a cracker.
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #429 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Who married them..."Heavenly Services"  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #430 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Must have been some sort of "Divine Intervention" then. Or did they dig him up  ;D ;D

Do you assume that his age at death was correct too  :) :)

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Easson, Fife
Leslie, Fife
Paterson, Fife

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Re: Ancestry tree rubbish
« Reply #431 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:35 GMT (UK) »
It's a she, born 1704 and died 1705
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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