Rushton and Chell families of Longton

[laurarobby]

Hi again been looking into the 1911 census.
George Rushton age 30 Head Occupation Chauffeur
Rose Annie Rushton age 30 wife Occupation Home Maker
Gladys Maud Rushton age 18 Daughter School
Jacob Rushton Brother age 16 Mould Maker (potters)
Address 4 Gordon St, Stoke upon Trent

How was George a Chauffeur if he was playing Football for Swindon Town From March 1910 - July 1912???

I think there is 2 George Rushtons and who ever wrote the Football thing is mistaken

[Victor]

That is great you have just confirmed that the George I had was not married to Rose Hannah. That is the sort of information I had been looking for so will now change the details.

I do find one teeny problem with this. The census gives George and Rose age 30 and their daughter age 18 which means her parents were 12 years old when she was born. I think this should read 8 FreeBMD shows a birth of 1903

We now need to find who is George's first wife. The info on the marriage certificate could be false and because of all the children he pretended to be a widower unless he had to provide evidence

As you say there are 2 George's. The football details are correct and we just need to find the right George. looks as if I will have to delete all the Chell names I have.

[laurarobby]

Im not sure i understand your reply. I think the 8 and 18 part you are Correct.

However. If this george Rushton was living in stoke on trent in 1911 with Rose Annie (nee Chell) and there children. How was it he Had children with Gertrude as you stated in a previous post? are you saying George Rushton (footballer) did not marry Chell and may have been married to someone else previous? that would make the information on the internet "George married Rosanna CHELL in 1900 but was living with Gertrude Bell in Hull in 1909 when they had their first child. I would like to know what happened to Rosanna CHELL George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925. They had 6 children all Hull  born" incorrect well some of it anyway!

[Victor]

Let me clarify things a bit.

Until now I had assumed George (the footballer) had married Rose Chell. You have found that this is not the case from the 1911 census. I have checked this census but couldn't find the footballer there.

Since George did not marry Rose and on his marriage certificate, when he married Gertrude, he was described as a widower. I have a copy of this certificate. Gertrude was also described as a widow. This means they both had been married before. One reason why they could not marry before 1925 could be because James was  alive and either he refused to agree to a divorce or was a Catholic so she had to wait until he had died. There is a death for James aged 58 in 1924. Whether this was Gertrude's James we may never know.

What I need to do know is try and find George in the 1911 census and also Gertrude as either Bell/Foulds or Rushton. I will do another search for George in the 1901 census

[Victor]

I have carried put some further checking.

I can now confirm that Rose Chell is George Rushton (the footballer) wife.

The fact that he is listed in the 1911 census as a chauffeur does not exclude his abilities to play football for Swindon Town. Footballers in those days earned very little money. Also George has two families the other being his children by Gertrude in Hull

The clue is in the 1911 census which lists Jacob Rushton as brother of George aged 16. Jacob is listed in the 1901 census age 6 with his father George and mother Elizabeth. I have details of George (the footballers father) as having married Elizabeth Washington. In the 1901 census are listed step children Robert and Beatrice Washington as well as Jacob

So we have here

1
George Rushton age 30 Head Occupation Chauffeur
Rose Annie Rushton age 30 wife Occupation Home Maker
Gladys Maud Rushton age 18 Daughter School
Jacob Rushton Brother age 16 Mould Maker (potters)
Address 4 Gordon St, Stoke upon Trent

2 Gertrude Bell (or Rushton depends on how she appears in the census)
Emily Grace Bell (or Rushton) age 4
Jane Rushton aged 2
Rebecca Rushton age 1

All that is needed now is to find Gertrude's family in the 1911 census

I have done a search but have not found anything and not bought any credits (not sure if I have the right Gertrude or whether it will be Bell or Rushton) I will try and visit the National Archives and check the census there. Unfortunately I am unable to do it this coming week

[laurarobby]

I cannot find gertrudes family in the census either. after 1891, Im still looking into Georges family as i never had the mother as elizabeth.

[Victor]

Elizabeth is George's step mother. His mother is Harriet Weston, who died in 1899, and George's father married Elizabeth Barnes on 28 Dec 1900. I have the marriage certificate.

Elizabeth was a widow having previously married Stephen Washington who died in 1894

I did say before that Elizabeth's children were listed as Step Children to George (sr)

I have the census of 1861, 1881, 1891 and 1901 for the Rushton family

[alf]

Hi

Buried in Longton Cemetery

Charles, h/o Ethel RUSHTON,
21 Jervis St, Adderley Green, Longton,
who was killed at the Mossfield Colliery, Longton,
21 March 1940, 24

John Henry RUSHTON, of Longton, 25 Nov 1885, 35
Alice Emma, d, 5 Nov 1883, 8yrs & 5 months
Lydia, w/o above, 16 Dec 1938, 82

Henry, h/o Mary Jane RUSHTON,
20 Packet Street, Fenton, 15 Sept 1936, 68
Mary Jane, above, 11 Feb 1942, 69
Minni, d, 28 May 1913, 17

Regards
Alf

[Victor]

Trust me, i'm related and asked my great aunt, grand daughter of george rushton.

Steve

I presume your great Aunt is either Maureen or Vivian Hoyles? Thanks for that photo of George and Gertrude you put on this chat list. I downloaded that and sent a copy to my niece, who printed it out and passed it on to my sister who in turn passed it on to another Great Aunt of yours...Gillian Hoyles. Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth. They don't have a computer hence the roundabout route of the photo.

I saw my sister today who told me Gillian is absolutely delighted to have a photo of her grand parents and has framed it. So I am passing on my thanks to you for this.

Do you have any idea as to when the photo was taken? My sister thinks it was late 1930's or early 40's (by the clothes they were wearing)

Do you have any more photos of George and Gertrude Rushton. I am sure Gillian would like to have a copy of these. My niece says that Gillian looks just like Gertrude. If you do have any more photos I think it may be best to send them direct to me (if you are prepared to) I am not sure how we can send private messages on this rooteschat. I will give you my email address if you would like it as we do appear to have the same relatives on our trees

Victor